Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna Lecture 139 on 03-June-2025

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OM JANANIM SHARADAM DEVIM RAMAKRISHNAM JAGADGURUM PAHADAPADMETAYOH SRIDHVA PRANAMAMI MUHURMUHU So we are continuing the Gospel of Shri Ramakrishna, Advice to Householders, Sunday, October 22, 1882. A topic is whether God is with form, without form. Some people prefer to meditate on forms and various infinite forms. And some people, they claim not knowing what they are saying on the formless aspect of God. These are not important questions. Importance is, do we have devotion to God? And devotion to God has two aspects. Do we want God or do we want something from God? Because the formless aspect of God is not prayed generally for the sake of fulfillment of one's desires. This is a very important topic. Shri Ramakrishna returns again and again. There are some people who have tasted more or less a little bit of everything. Nobody can really taste every object in this world. But once we taste, experience an object and that gives us complete knowledge, any object belonging to that particular category will be of that nature. For example, somebody had tasted sweetness. Then any sweet, more or less it is nothing but various combinations or degrees with flavors of sweetness. There was one very great Swami in our order. He was called Swami Premeshananda, a very well-known Swami and a great renunciate. He used to say that in this world there are only five dishes, meaning five sense organs can experience only five types of experiences. Shabda, Sparsha, Rupa, Prasa, Gandha. That is sounds, touches, forms, tastes and smells. That's all. So within this category, there are infinite number of objects, mildly fragrant, heavily fragrant. Even if you are surrounded with something very heavily fragrant, you can't stand it for a long time. Everything has a limitation on different people, different minds, different upbringings. So they will all have. Everything in this world is experienced as a duality. This is a very important concept we must always keep in mind. All the knowledge we have about any particular object is heavily dependent upon this psychology of duality. Suppose somebody says this is a white color or green color. How does he know it is a green color? It is only in contrast with some other color. If that person has not seen any other color excepting green color throughout his life, then he will not only not know about, of course, other colors, he will not know that what he is looking at is green color. If a man doesn't know he is male, if he doesn't know what is a female, he will never know that he is a male, vice versa. If we do not know what is good, then we will not know what is evil. And if we do not know what is evil, we will never ever know what is good. Similarly, if we do not know what is called worldliness, we will never know what is called spirituality. So everything in this world has its opposite. Now what has this got to do with our topic? The topic is meditation on form and formless. What do we mean by formless? Anything that we think with the mind is only with form. Suppose somebody imagines that God is like a human being. Incidentally, Swami Vivekananda published this long back. If a human is asked, he will be looking at God through a human concept. So God must be human but very powerful. Maybe four hands, maybe ten hands, maybe hundred hands, but he will be like a human being. What type of human being? Is it a cowboy or is it an African? Is it a Chinese, Japanese or Indian? He will be like Indian. What type of Indian? North Indian or South Indian? Look at the paintings of Ravi Varma, a famous South Indian painter in the last century. Look at how Rama is dressed, especially Sita is dressed. She is wearing a sari like South Indian ladies, especially Tamilian ladies, tucking the end of her sari around her waist. This will never happen in the North Indian tradition because North Indian women don't dress like that. So you see how varied these concepts are and all those concepts are heavily dependent upon our understanding. If a meat-eating tribe has to offer, they will kill animals, including human beings, to offer to God. If a poor vegetarian, what Bengali calls a grass-eating creature, never eats any non-vegetarian, then his God will be pure vegetarian. This is called the anthropomorphic concept of God. If an ant is asked, God will have two antlers. If a dog is asked, God is a big dog. After all, there is not much difference between God and dog. You reverse the word God and you will get it. So this form and formlessness are not real. We don't know what formlessness is. We can be formless but we can never think of formlessness. All our concepts of formlessness are only in contrast with a form. So we have to keep this in mind. That's why Sri Ramakrishna's extraordinarily perceptive teaching, God has a form, God is also formless and God is also beyond both form and formlessness. Usually we skip over these statements. So God with form and formlessness are concepts of the mind. But beyond means when a person goes beyond the mind, when the mind doesn't exist and at that stage, the subject and object, both of them will be annihilating each other. Either both of them are working, which is a concept in the mind, or both of them are beyond the mind. That means there is no thinking. That means there is no difference between God and that individual. There is nobody to say, I am here, God is outside me or inside me and I am perceiving God, hearing God, etc. These are the key ideas. And with this, it is a beautiful subject. Any number of times we have to go through this. But the point I wanted to add is, it really doesn't matter. First of all, we must have faith God is. Thereafter, we can think of God as having form, not having form. But of course, we can never think God beyond both form and formlessness. It is pure experience, that's all. So, first of all, absolute faith God exists. That's why Sri Ramakrishna tells so many beautiful stories. This faith. So Dada Madhusudana, brother Madhusudana, a son of a widow who had to pass through a forest to reach his school, was frightened of the forest. And then his mother, who was a great Krishna Bhakta, told him, why are you frightened? Your elder brother is there in the forest. Oh, but why is he not here? Oh, he is grazing all the cows. That's how you are able to get milk. Oh, I want to see him. Oh, you will see him. Whenever you are frightened, simply call Dada Madhusudana. So the boy went and he got scared. And then he started calling Dada Madhusudana. Because mother told, you have a Dada. And no reply came. How beautifully Sri Ramakrishna can tell stories. So the boy, on one side, he was frightened. On the other side, he knew. Intuitively he knew because nobody distrusts one's own mother, especially as children. So he started crying. Mother told me, why are you angry with me? Why are you not coming to me? The only reason you will not come is because you are not happy with me. And God could not stand. Immediately he came running. You have to exercise your imagination. Don't go on following the outlines given by Sri Ramakrishna. So he must have lifted him up in his arms. He said to him, why are you frightened? My honey, my baby, I am here. And then he said, see, look there. What a beautiful fragrant mango is hanging there. Even in cold season, out of mango season, mangoes appeared brilliantly. And then naturally the boy had forgotten. God can make us forget everything. So the boy forgot everything. His forest turned into the most pleasant garden. And then, of course, Krishna was an expert. He practiced all this stealing and pelting with stones. Immediately he brings it down beautifully. The stone never strikes the mango. Only it strikes the tender, small thing that is holding up the mango about to fall down after one or two days at the touch of Krishna's stone. Or they say in his legend that mango trees used to bend themselves down and rain down only the most sweetest, fragrant, ripest mangoes. No wonder. So he found himself and he was so happy. And he never played with anybody like with his elder brother because the elder brother was never asked if a mother is there, father is there. You rascal, you spent all your time playing with your brother. And the cows have strayed. There were no cows. There were no geysers. It is only for the sake of this boy. Krishna was there in the forest. And magically he reached in no time that school which is outside the forest. And the boy's mind was filled with joy. You know the story. So you continue. I am only adding a little bit of spice. And you too must add various spices. For example, just I will give you a hint. So after eating mangoes, Brother, do you want more mangoes? No, no, no. You see, I want to eat litchi fruit. I had a sudden desire to eat litchi. Oh, okay. I know a beautiful tree. Right now it is full of litchi fruits. And I will take you there. In a trice he gets the ripest litchi fruits. Anything. Anything the boy wants. So that is the powerful presence of God. He forgets the whole lot. He is swimming in the bliss of Satchitananda Sagara. And Krishna must have given him the sharpest buddhi. So you see, the story contains deep meanings. So it started with the crudest, my elder brother. And immediately he became attracted. Now tell me, in your imagination, what do you think that young boy, what do you think his mind will be filled with? Whose thoughts? How soon the school will be over and I will again meet my elder brother. And that gives me the greatest happiness. And he can also give me whatever I want. Do you want honey, sweet honey? I know where honey is. Bees are just making the sweetest honey. Anything magically will appear. This would be what Vaishnavas call Vaikuntha. What Shaivas call Kailasa. Forget about that useless type of harmful imagination. So you go to Kailasa. What is the first thing? You will be turned to stone, freezing to death. And somehow if you can manage, then you will see all these Nandi Ganas, Bhuta Ganas, Preta Ganas, Pishache Ganas and making all sorts of weird noises. What am I talking about? The great Shankaracharya had given a word to his mother that whenever you need me, you call me. And that being a good mother, she never called him, excepting if she was about to die and then she remembered. Like Anjana Devi remembered Hanuman. Whenever she remembered, immediately Anjaneya. That's why he was called Anjani. Putra is called Anjaneya. Immediately Shankaracharya appeared before her. And that family was Shiva Bhaktas. That's why they prayed to Shiva. That's why Shiva himself was born as Shankaracharya. Anyway. So this Arya Amba was her name. And she was about to die. Shankaracharya understood and then he wanted to send her to Kailasa. So he hymned Shiva Bhujanga Stotram and immediately in her eyes appeared these Bhutas, Pretas, Pishachas. I don't know why she did not die of heart attack. Beyond my imagination. Shankaracharya understood a little bit dull, you know, late. And immediately he changed his tactics. He hymned Bhagavan Vishnu. And this must be definitely a story created by Vaishnavas to gain superiority over the Shaivas. And immediately Vishnu's dhotas beautifully dressed like Vishnu only. And that beautiful music. Beautiful fragrance. Parajita. So like that her heart swelled in joy. And she could not wait enough. And seeing Vishnu dhotas who looked like Vishnu only she passed away. What is our concept of Shiva? What is our concept of Vishnu? These are all human concepts. The real thing is that such Bhutas, Pretas, Pishachas. How do we imagine that Shiva will have all these things which we are terribly frightened of. Maybe Shiva is very intelligent. These rogues calling themselves as devotees want to come to me and I will have no peace of mind with this kind of people. So I will keep some security guard all these Bhutas, Pretas and Pishachas. And one look at them they will run away. And let Vishnu deal with all these rogues. I don't know. It is my pure wild imagination. So this is the concept, human concept. So poor, so poverty ridden even in imagination. The moment we are in the presence of God what is the first thing that happens? The moment a small iron filing happens to be in the presence of a magnetic hill what is the very first thing? The iron filing loses, gets destroyed by becoming one with the magnet and not only that it instantaneously becomes transforms by the power of the magnet into the most powerful magnet. It won't be a small iron magnet filing. It will be that magnetic hill, one with that magnetic hill and it can destroy even the huge ships also. So this idea, God is with form is only poverty of thinking. God without form and these fellows they take pride. You are all of lower intelligence so you have no idea so you create all these things whereas we are of superior intellect, we can go beyond all names and forms idiots don't have. Generally these people who worship God or claim that they worship God as formless aspect they turn out to be devoid of any compassion any sympathy any feeling of fellow feeling and they are ready to kill even animals in the most cruelest form that is imaginable and how they kill even human beings worse than human animals it is only history abundantly proves that one. Even now it is proving even recent incidents also will prove that one. So what I am trying to tell you, so thinking of God is an act of the mind and it likes to think I am a human being and it likes to think God must have some qualities what type of qualities so those qualities which I like to see as I have seen in my own mother, in my own father and if I have got loving brothers and sisters I would like to see every baby is loved therefore nobody even if the baby makes so much of dirt nobody minds because they know this baby cannot look after itself and therefore how much love, look at even a lioness how it protects if necessary with its own life. So that one word love that defines all bhakti. If a person has devotion it doesn't matter whether it is God with form, God without form, God with qualities, God without qualities and here also we have to understand God with form leads to God with qualities that is why always we think of God. If somebody is about to meditate on Krishna what type of Krishna? Always with a sweet smile playing on his lips so when we meditate we think that if anybody is smiling at us it is a sign of their positive attitude towards us so when we meditate we must also recreate that same positivity in God even though it is through our imagination Raja Maharaj Swami Brahmanand used to say just before you sit for meditation imagine God supremely gracious towards you. He has no eyes for anybody other than you just like a mother looking after the newborn baby her entire mind is only on that baby. Ram Krishna gives beautiful examples. A village woman and she husks the paddy and she sells it to so many different people and while husking itself she is talking with her customers the last time you took so much their memories are very sharp especially if somebody owes us money our memory becomes very sharp all of a sudden so that you owe me so much and you have come again to take. First you pay what you owe me and then only I will give fresh loan and here is this much money you gave me this much is the paddy you will get what happened to your son? I heard that he is lying down with fever. Everything she is performing all the tasks but where is her mind? On the husking rod because she knows every now and then she has to stir the husk so that it is evenly husked but if that stone falls upon her hand it will be smashed therefore 99% of her mind is on that so whether a person worships God with form without form whatever be the concept four hands two hands ten hands hundred hands smiling scowling it doesn't matter. Does anybody meditate upon a scowling aspect of God? Look at some of the Mother Kali's pictures then you will understand there are bhaktas. Smeshana Kali then Chinnamasta there is no head only the blood is flowing from the neck onwards so and then Smeshana Kali so many what is called different aspects of Mother Kali Dasha Avatara is there ten forms of Mother Kali of these forms Sri Ramakrishna says Dakshina Kali smiling and yet it is a ferocious form even now I know some devotees who can never think don't want to think about Mother Kali even I used to be frightened but only after coming to Sri Ramakrishna I know that she is the best protection because if I am in her lap no fellow dares to come anywhere near her the best protection and the most loving whatever you want because she protects her children like a fierce lioness tigress so this is the topic Sri Ramakrishna is expounding and I am meditating and I am also asking you to meditate so this is a topic meditation on form in formlessness of God Sri Ramakrishna is asking are you getting along with your meditation nowadays remember this is so many months have passed after M had met Sri Ramakrishna February I don't remember the date 2nd February or something M had first met Sri Ramakrishna this is October 22nd 1882 what aspect of God appeals to your mind with form or without form and M after hearing so many times from Sri Ramakrishna now comes to realize Sir, now I realize I can't fix my mind on God with form on the other hand I cannot concentrate steadily on God without form it is like saying there is a beautiful saying in Telugu language there is a fellow and he can't jump half a foot but he wants to catch hold of the moon if a fellow cannot meditate on God with form how on earth is he going to meditate upon God without form this is we have to stop and think about it some other aspect also is there which I will expound as we go along so now M realized what did he say at first I like to meditate on God without form and Sri Ramakrishna says but don't cherish the idea and incidentally how did M get this idea because he became a Param Rishi no, he became a Rishi later on by Sri Ramakrishna's continuous presence moulding, he looks like a Rishi one photograph is there, a big beard sitting on his knees like a Rishi but the point is Rishis have the ability to meditate upon God without form so here is M and Sri Ramakrishna said that is fine but don't discriminate, don't think I am superior to people who are meditating and the same topic comes here also that means his mind has not been clear even today, so but he understood that Sri Ramakrishna said let me meditate on God with form he must have tried and he failed, this is what I am trying to tell, that if a person fails to jump few inches, how is he going to clear 5 feet or 7 feet, it is impossible so if anybody thinks I cannot meditate on God with form, but I can easily meditate on God without form, I can only say God remove your stupidity so I can't fix my mind on God with form I don't have the power of concentration, on the other hand I can't concentrate steadily on God without form Sri Ramakrishna compassionately says, now you see that the mind cannot be fixed all of a sudden on the formless aspect of God so these words like so which I am uttering are not there in the gospel it is wise to think of God with form during the primary stages I don't know how much of this teaching had entered into M's brain and has been accepted and Sri Ramakrishna himself is a beautiful imagery of an archery there was a man who wants to become an expert archer so he must be probably learning under a Guru like Dronacharya not like Dronacharya, but somebody who knows something about archery what does the intelligent teacher do, he will put first of all a big board, white board there will be lot of circles there and in the centre of that big circle there will be a small circle and then it is kept one foot in front of it I am just a bit exaggerating now you discharge your arrow and then of course this fellow discharges and it will be six feet away from the centre Ah! Great victory you achieved great concentration see your this bana it had fallen within the circle so like that gradually he becomes expert and one day by mistake he might have hit the centre and again he becomes a little expertise then the teacher slowly moves it backwards that means distance grows like that, there is a funny anecdote from the Zen master there was a Zen master and the speciality of this Zen master is they will be doing various worldly jobs like any one of us, somebody will be a wood cutter, somebody will be tending to gardens, somebody will be, may be a soldier according to Zen Zen means Dhyana Dhyana means complete attention to whatever one is doing there is no such, no job which they cannot do in fact Zen can be practiced only with within the activity so there was a master archer, he was called a Zen master, somebody asked him, master what astounding thing what a mastery of archery what is the secret so the Zen master called him here and said, I love you therefore I am unravelling the mystery, how I hit the target every time I discharge the arrow, don't tell it to anybody it is Paramahasya says I first discharge the arrow and wherever the arrow hits I call it my target so that is not the point slowly slowly the teacher will be increasing the distance, reducing the circle and then sufficiently long distance the person how did, he hits the what is called eye of the centre, how did he manage, because by failing hundred thousand times, that is the only way, there is no other way, that is what Sri Ram Krishna is telling, it is wise to think of God with form during the primary stages hinting at what stage are you, are you at the primary stage or are you at the advanced stage and if M thinks that I am at an advanced stage and yet he confesses that I cannot fix my mind, I don't have that concentration, then it is something unbelievable, so you see why can't, why could not have M have fixed because it is part of his life is as an example for people like us but the most important thing is, these examples they illustrate how we also Sri Ram Krishna probably was not addressing M M probably was not asking the questions for himself on our behalf, like Arjuna asks on our behalf he is asking questions of Sri Ram Krishna, so during the primary stages one has to gradually, gradiate that is called gradually so this is the analogy one day this person becomes perfect and then earlier we discussed maybe in this context or in some other context I do not remember, there are four stages of gradually moving towards God, what are these four stages Nama Dhyana, Rupa Dhyana Guna Dhyana and Swaroopa Dhyana Nama Dhyana the mind is extremely restless but you go on doing Japam Japam is called Nama Dhyana and at first even our mind goes on wondering, occasionally it remembers God, that to a lifeless aspect of God but slowly maybe many lives we progress, then we have that faith in the name of God Nama and Namni are one and the same and then we go on developing love because whatever we think repeatedly Bhagavad Gita outlines in an eight-stepped way how a person can reach God or can reach destruction. In the second chapter at the end Stita Pragna Lakshanas these techniques are outlined by Bhagavan Krishna so you can refer to that as a person goes on thinking like go on eating some bitter good or something and slowly in course of time we develop a craving even for that our attachment grows so go on doing it Nama Dhyana and then slowly this Nama refers to Namni so first of all particular deity and Hinduism is a vast super store so therefore you can think of God from babyhood to the highest aspect of God as male as female as Devi and hundreds and hundreds of forms of Devi with which now another form has joined do you know what is that other form the form of Holy Mother and the form of Shri Ram Krishna have now been added Sarva Deva Devi Swaroopini Swaroopaya Sarada Devi Ram Krishna but it doesn't matter whether you call Ma or Mother or like that but with devotion if we go on calling and then recollecting because baby is longing to cognize to recognize the face hundred faces are appearing imagine surrounding the crib of the baby but the baby's eyes are searching frantically where is my mother's face and as soon as it behelds it lit the eyes of the baby lit up because I have nothing to fear so it is a beautiful story is told of Radha Devi this is a story but surely it illustrates the power of love devotion Radha Devi was born after a few days after Krishna was born Krishna was born in we know in the prison but soon he was transferred to Gokula and this Radha Devi there is one small village many miles away from Vrindavan so she was born there six months passed the baby was growing but she never opened her eyes and her parents her relatives started thinking that she is blind or there is a peculiar disease they tried even putting the fingers and doing no lids will not open then one day there was a festival may be birthday celebration after six months and Krishna's father was Nanda and Yashoda were invited they were relatives and deep friends and then Krishna was also taken there Krishna was very curious he knows everything so parents must have had their own this one or my imagination is that as soon as they landed in the house he knows where this Radha is lying down that place is called Barsana so he ran into that house probably all the relatives all came out to receive Nanda but Krishna darted inside and then peeped in the crib that Radha was lying down the moment Krishna peeped in Radha's eyes opened for the first time because she wanted to see only Krishna first time in this world anyway that is a legend that goes on but what is important is that the mother's face lights up, the baby's face lights up as soon as it recognizes the face of the mother the smell of the mother and they run it is a very common phenomenon among animals also so like that there is a story of Parikshit is there you know Ashwatthama had discharged Brahmastra with the intention they tell the Astra the intention that means the pre-program that you go on hitting this nuclear facility like that so this Nishpandavas there should not be any Pandavas left out the last Pandava was only this baby born and immediately the chakra came Krishna knew about it so he entered into the womb I forget his name of the Parikshit's mother the name Parikshit came later on the baby was there the Astra wanted to kill that baby but Krishna stood there with his chakra and kicked away the Brahmastra and that radiant form of Krishna that baby can never forget soon afterwards the mother gave birth and the moment he was born people surround him he goes on looking towards the mother, towards the father towards the other people he is looking, he is looking Parikshit, not this fellow not this person not this person so he does Parikshit examine every face and no, no face is resembling what was he seeking? that sweetest face which was protecting him just before his birth so it attracted him so much so they had to name this baby examines every face before deciding what to do what not to do therefore he is called Parikshit so if a devotee is there he has been cherishing the form of the Ishta Devata and he doesn't want to see anything else like the story, Sri Ram Krishna's story, when Rama was fighting with Ravanasura he had to remember Garuda and Garuda came to counter all the snakes that were discharged by the Ravanasura and his army so Garuda came and all the snakes died and immediately Garuda praised and he liked to see Vishnu in the form of God in the form of Vishnu and Hanuman was fidgeting so Garuda was blessed, he disappears then Vishnu resumes the form of Rama why are you fidgeting like that? then we get that famous, the very heart of Hinduism that there is only one God but there are infinite paths, infinite names, infinite forms infinite incidents and you can create your own in your own mind but Hanuman says every form of Bhagwan Narayana is Paramatma only, a marvelous Vedantic sacred is not even called Vishnu Vishnu is only one form aspect of Saguna Brahma Shiva is another aspect of Saguna Brahma Devi is another aspect of Saguna Brahma and all these ideas become clear if we devotedly study the gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, so when a person becomes so absorbed, that is called Rupa Dhyana and then he becomes Guna Dhyana becomes what Gunas Paramatma possesses all what is called Akhila Lokalyana Guna Sagaraha, as Ramanujakal said, Kalyana Guna Sagaraha, is an ocean of infinite auspicious qualities, there is nothing inauspicious, what about all these so called murders and wars and destructions and earthquakes, everything going on, meteors striking etc but prelude to auspiciousness only, new creation comes only after the destruction of the old we have to understand this principle very very clearly so all the good qualities and it serves another purpose, this is called Pratipaksha Bhavana if I am a miser, meditate on God as the what is called limitless giver if I am temperamental then God is Shanta Swaroopa and there is always sweetest smile, the slightest agitation of the mind will never take place, like the face of the Buddha and like the face of Swami Vivekananda for each defect that we have, we have to think the opposite quality this is called Saguna then Swaroopa I am Sat, I am Chit by meditating on Sat, I become Sat, by meditating on Chit, I become Chit by meditating on Ananda I am the most happy person on earth and this is what the Vaishnava concept of Vaikuntha because they give four stages in Vaikuntha Salokya Swaroopya Samipya or Swaroopya and then Sayujya Salokya, Swaroopya and Swaroopya Samipya and Sayujya, they correspond to these four stages that we have just now mentioned when a person is continually remembering Lord Vishnu, he is in the Loka, in the very world where God resides called Vaikuntha, if he is a Vaishnava he is a Shaiva he is in Shiva Loka or Kailasa and as he is meditating, so we can say his very form, a devotee's very form also resembles Muralek because 24 hours he is meditating upon it, Swaroopya and when he comes very near, Samipya then all the qualities that God has got they become reflected in him like an iron filing acquires the quality of the magnetic hill the more it approaches, the more it acquires this quality manifests the same quality and there will come a time no distance can be tolerated and that is what is called Sayujya complete oneness with the Divine so these are the four stages whether it be M or I or U or a Christian or a Hindu or a Muslim, there is no such thing as I am meditating upon formlessness what they mean by formlessness is on certain qualities they meditate and why is it that especially Islam and even Christianity to some extent hates meditation on the forms of God there is a historical reason for that, if we don't understand that historical reason then we will not be able to understand why so much of hatred, you know just before Prophet Muhammad became powerful and started uniting the whole Arabic world existing then the whole tribes were divided into numberless saints each worshipping God with a peculiar name, peculiar form, peculiar shape and unity is never possible like Vaishnavas and Shaktas went on quarrelling and even now do that some of the even famous speakers they have that terrible partiality, though they don't sometimes they blurt out unconsciously their hatred of the either Shaivas or Vaishnavas etc. but mostly because of etiquette politeness they keep it within themselves so these people they are thinking Muhammad realized if I have to unite and if they are not united we will be very weak tribe, we can never become a nation exactly like what Moses had done earlier so the Jews were quarrelling with each other and that's why if you have watched the movie Moses or the Ten Commandments you will understand as soon as Moses went up to the hill Sinai to speak with God and they brought out their own and they made it like exactly like Shiva's and Nandi's bull, various aspects of bull and like Hindus stupid they are and giving their gold and everything, decorating a bull and then trying to drink and dance and do all those things Moses realized that's why he created monotheism similarly Prophet Muhammad also had wanted to unite and make them one single strong brotherhood and that's why he said no God but God, no images but only God unable to understand that even these people are propagating they hate, they become fanatics, they are ready to kill all in the name of Islam, God and Prophet Muhammad if anybody is bringing bad name to Prophet Muhammad, it is these what is called stupid followers of Islam but there are what is called Sufis the purest of spiritual life religious life, comparable to Vedantists anyway coming back, that there is no way, everybody has to start at the bottom and then work his way out to the top, nobody is going to get to the top nobody works from the top to the bottom but Ramakrishna says there are a few people who first go to the top and start working downwards he says there are some vegetables where fruit comes first and flowers come later on but many other things, only the flowers come first and then they go, fruit and this is what Swami Vivekananda wanted to explain to this Raja Man Singh Rajapatana and we will talk about it, this subject is very important, how to progress in spiritual life, we will talk about it in our next class Om Jananim Sharadaam Deveam Ramakrishnam Jagadgurum Pada Padme Tayo Sritva Pranamaami Mohar Moho May Ramakrishna, Holy Mother and Swami Vivekananda bless us all with Bhakti Ramakrishna