Mandukya Karika Lecture 132 on 06-December-2023

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In our last class, we have been studying the 45th Karika of the 4th chapter of Mandukya Upanishad called Alatha Shanti Prakarana. And the question that came is that we all in this dualistic world believe in the theory of cause and effect. Our experience shows everything points to cause and effect. And cause and effect in their turn remind us of time, space and causation. So causation, parents are the cause, children are the effect. And when the birth takes place, that is called Jati. Then the question comes, who created? Parents created, who are created? Children are created. When are they created? Are they there from the beginning of time? No. Only six days back, a baby is born. So before that, the baby was not there. Now the baby is there. Time comes. Where is it born? And we find out it is either in India or USA, some place. So Kaala and then Desha. How did it come out? Some Nimitta will be there. So the whole universe is nothing but a perspective from time, space and causation. And these three things together is called mind. What are the mind's constitutional elements? Desha, Kaala and Nimitta. So here the scriptures are talking about two kinds of facts. One is called that which is what we call the world. Another is called Brahman. What is the relationship? Since we are not talking to Brahman, but we are assuming through our mind. We are looking at Brahman. And what do we see? The world. How do we see the world? Through time, space and causation. And this is the reason why the scriptures are talking about creation. But is the creation real? No, it is not real. This is a very crucial point. Any number of times I will repeat it. Because if what? There must be a definition which all of us should agree on what is real. What doesn't change is real. What changes cannot be real. Why do we say it is not real? First of all, it is a definition. Secondly, even in practical way, it affects us every second of our time, our life. Somebody is happy. Is it changing? Yes, it changes. But does it change into unhappiness? Good changes into evil. Friendship changes into enmity. Calmness changes into agitation. Everything is changing. And again, that change also again changes. Unhappiness changes into happiness. And this process is called Dwandwa. And this is not what instinctively human beings do not wish to experience. They want all the time that birth and growth is okay, death is not okay. I want to be Asato Maa Sadgamaya. And I don't want to be unconscious as in deep sleep. I want to know the things and enjoy things. Therefore, Tamaso Maa Jyotirgamaya. And I don't want even one millisecond separation from happiness. That unchanging happiness is called Ananda. So Mrityor Maa Amrutangamaya. Is there any way for us to attain it? Yes. The scripture is called a loving mother, most loving mother. So like a loving mother, it has to help the child grow. Yes, there is a bogeyman in that room. Do not enter into that room. It is harmful to you. This is what is called do not do any Adharma. Because Adharma will catch you and swallow you up. The child is afraid because he has faith in mother's words. If the child doesn't have, child means I am not talking a baby. Babies invariably they have faith in the mother's words, father's words. But we are what Swami Vivekananda calls as moustached babies. We are hearing talks, reading books, Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna and Pade Pade again and again. He is talking about always follow the path of Dharma. Dharma Deva Kamaha, Dharma Deva Arthaaha, Dharma Deva Mokshaaha. So Yasadeva with uplifted hands is shouting but he himself says nobody is listening to me. Somebody is shouting Adharma Deva Arthaaha, Adharma Deva Kamaha. And you enjoy and everybody is listening. Adharma means what? So whatever I want, I want to do. And whatever I want to do is mostly Adharma only. But there also see Mahamaya works. Mahamaya has two powers Vidyamaya and Avidyamaya. So Vidyamaya says this is your baby. Do not harm your baby. Don't tell lies to your baby. Say that everything is provided for your baby and nearest family. But when it comes to outside the family, anybody can be a target. For what? For Adharma. So Dharma means identifying oneself completely with the other and so behave as if I am doing it to myself. That is called really Dharma. And anything other than that is called Adharma. But nobody can give a better definition. Swami Vivekananda has given that which takes us nearer to God is Dharma. Nearer to God means nearer to our own self because Tattvamasi, the word that. But that which takes us away from ourselves. That means I am the body, I am the mind, etc. That is called Adharma. So the scriptures, a question that has been raised earlier. Why do the scriptures stop again and again? Practically never opens up. About creation. Because we are like babies. There is a bogeyman. Do not enter there. The purpose of saying this creation is that you want to be happy, you want to be healthy, you want always your own welfare, Dharma, Artha and Kama. The scriptures talk about these three things called Prayas. For those babies who do not understand, real Prayas is Shreyas, not Prayas. So we have to grow up Dharma, Artha, Kama. That is why life has been divided into four parts. First part is to accept the creation. I am part of creation and slowly bridge the gap between what is me and what is not me. So when we enter into Vanaprastha or Upasana, contemplation, when we meditate, for example, on Brahma, Brahma is the entire creation. And if I meditate on Brahma, I should be able to identify myself with the entire creation. And when I identify myself with the entire creation, I cannot misbehave because it is a proven fact. Nobody wants to harm one's own self. Everybody, on the contrary, wants to do good for one's own self. So to lead people, babies, who are of less understanding, to higher truth, which is called Bhagawan, Brahma, Moksha, etc. The scriptures talk of creation and the cause and effect. So this world came from where? From God. And there is a law, which even babies understand, that cause and effect can never be different from each other. So if milk is white, its products also should be white only. If sugar is sweet, its products also can be only sweet, not anything else. So for the benefit of people who cannot understand higher truths, the ritualism, Karma Kanda. And slowly, when they feel that what the scripture is talking is absolute truth, because they have experimented, only in that sense, Vedic truths are called scientific truths. Scientific truth should not be mistaken by any one of us, that the Vedas are talking about the knowledge of the world. We are talking about that methodology. If one person had mixed certain things, obtained some results, anybody who follows him, mixes the same ingredients, must get the same result. That is called science. So by following Karma Kanda, the scripture prescribes to me, do this worship, Yagna or Yaga or Agnihotra. Swarga Kaamoh Agnihotram Yajetah. Person who is desirous of entering into heaven must perform Agnihotra every day. So he does it and he goes to Swarga and he thereafter is convinced. Then he does something else, Uttarakamesti. He gets the result. Nowadays, God also has become a businessman. So if you are praying, give me one son and he says buy one, get three free. That is how Dasharatha got four people. So like that, every action prescribed in the scripture proves to be an absolute truth. Etat Satyam. As Mundaka Upanishad says, Etat Satyam Sarvam Satyam. Whatever is said in the Karma Kanda is an absolute scientific truth. You do it to prove that God has incarnated as Ramakrishna. And Agnimantra, for example, when he was doing puja, as soon as he uttered this Agnimantra and sprinkled water all around him, immediately a wall of fire, so ferocious that no evil being can ever penetrate and come inside it. So it is true. And we have not the description of what happens to other things, but we have sufficient descriptions. For example, when a person is sincerely concentrating, slowly his Kundalini will be awakening. Whether you are a Christian, you are a Buddhist, you are a believer, you are a non-believer, mix the ingredients, you must get the same result. So if a Christian is meditating, he will also have the arousal of Kundalini. But then our problem is no Christian had ever said this Kundalini had risen from Muladhara to Sahasrara in the way described by Ramakrishna. In fact, I don't know, I have not read tantric scriptures thoroughly, excepting here and there. Even there, it is written that there will be a state of higher and higher states of consciousness, there will be lotuses, etc. There are songs also, it is written that Mother, you who are playing in a forest of lotuses, all the lotuses represent, every lotus, every chakra represents a state of mind's consciousness, where the consciousness is more and more manifest in the purified mind, that is called a chakra. If you don't understand, your head is going round and round, whirling round and round. But a Christian may have a different vision. He may see angels, he may see angels floating with big musical instruments. There is one instrument which can be carried easily only either by Bhimasen or an elephant. And I don't know how this wispy angel with two butterfly-like wings is carrying that one and playing. And it is called a harp. And the Christian scriptures go on harping on this harp very much. Anyway, what I wanted to tell you, the descriptions are different, but the essence is absolutely the same. So what happens, when a person, for many lives, goes on performing all these Karmas, and they are absolutely true, I can tell you, because I myself have practiced a few of them, and got what the Bengali beautiful expression, Hathe Hathe Phal. That is, you do and immediately you get the result. So it is absolute. When a person has an unwavering faith in this, what is called Karma Kanda, he is slowly introduced by his spiritual Guru, that is God Himself, into now externalization of worship must be internalized. This is called Manasika Puja, but it is also called Upasana Kanda. And that is the main purpose of Vanaprasthashrama. And when a person goes on doing this one, slowly, slowly, he enters into that beautiful state. He experiences the same results or even better results than anybody else. Then one can obtain through Karma Kanda, pure physical worship, etc. And then he is convinced. If this has been told by the scripture, and it turned out to be true, and this also has been described by the scripture, and that also turns out to be true because I experienced it myself, that is the conviction. Until that, one experience at least doesn't come. One cannot be convinced of it. Swami Vivekananda had a very funny way of expressing it. A man who had seen a ghost is a better believer in God than anybody else for two simple reasons. One is if you see a ghost, then your mind will be thinking only about God, out of fear. Second is a profound truth. There is nothing called death. This person is dead. Now this person is appearing like a ghost. That means physical death, falling of the body is not the end of life. So this is conviction because he has seen a direct experience of a person who has left his physical body and is still very much alive. Even though he may be threatening to swallow you up, but that is the truth. So any vision of a Mahapurusha, not to speak of a Bhoota, but that convinces us and his vanaprasthashrama leads us to that effect. But interesting fact is some Swamis are a bit more rational and I am one of them. So when a person sees a ghost, what is it? That he undergoes a tremendous amount of experience of fear, etc. Fear of seeing the ghost, fear of anticipating, perhaps this ghost fancies me. He or she wants to marry me and then I will be taking refuge in God rather than getting married with this Bhoota. So these are some of the practical benefits we have to understand. And then an intense joy is experienced in the Upasana Kanda. How? If a person experiences by contemplating on Indra and he achieves identity with Indra, then he gets Indrananda. Same thing with Brhaspati. Prahaspateranandaha Prajapati Prajapatehanandaha Brahma Loka, that is Brahmananda. We are not talking about Brahman, we are talking about Saguna Brahma, the creator called Brahma, that Brahma Ananda. You cannot distinguish in Sanskrit, Brahma plus Ananda, Brahma plus Ananda, both akaras, both vowels, the end of one word and the beginning of another word. This is called Savarna Dergha Sandhi in Sanskrit grammar. So this Brahma Loka Ananda Prapti, he experiences. And then only says that when you climb the highest mountain and stand on the peak of that mountain, you will discover there is another mountain behind which is much more superb, much more beautiful and much more majestic. And if you are a mountain climber, your greediness, I want to climb that mountain also, definitely will increase. If we do not know about something, a desire for something doesn't arise at all. So this is what exactly happens to the person having experienced Brahma Loka Ananda. He now feels there is something, these are all limited, I want something unlimited. Unless a person reached the limit of the finite happiness, he will not be able to acquire to the other one. So it is for the purpose of leading a smaller understanding mind to better and better understanding by the creation of faith, leading from Bhu Loka Ananda, Bhuvar Loka Ananda, Suvar Loka Ananda. Finally, he gets a glimpse of that which is beyond. Then he becomes a Sannyasin and he says, I renounce the Ananda, Bhuvar Loka, Bhuvar Loka, Suvar Loka, etc. Then he becomes not uttering but really feeling, really longing for that ultimate truth. So it is for that purpose only. In this background, keep always, the scripture's only goal is to guide every soul from wherever he is to a higher ideal. Even the worship of Bhutas, as Bhagavan Krishna tells, a devotee of Bhutas, worship the Bhutas. A devotee of Rakshasas, worship Rakshasas. A devotee of what is called Yaksha, Gandharva, etc., worship those beings but that would not be the end. The scripture doesn't deny such people exist but the purpose is to lead them, not to say this is the highest goal but slowly leading to higher, still higher, much higher goals until the person reaches the end of the limitation of the duality and then only he will be able to step into the highest. Is there any exception to it? Yes. Varanasi is the exception. Come and die in Varanasi. You don't even need to understand what is Mukte. Shiva automatically will give it to you. With this background, let us... Now, one more point. I will just make a small introduction and then quickly go over it. So, I see something in front of me. Therefore, I say something exists. Then, I see that thing may be moving and then I say by the experience of the movements by me, yes, definitely there is and I call it the existence of an object. For example, I see an animal. It is standing still. Seeing itself is a proof because nobody can experience something and seeing is one of the best proofs of experience. You cannot see anything unless it exists. So, even if some wise crack says that this fellow has experienced a Bhuta, Bhuta also exists. That is why our scripture definitely confirms it. Bhuta also exists. And this idea. Three things you know. Upalambha and Samacharatha. So, Upalambha means direct experience through our sense organ. Samacharatha means my reaction towards it or seeing the behavior. Then, I also react to that behavior. This is called Samachara. Unfortunately, as I mentioned many times, when Gaudapada is mentioning certain words, he is not using the normal words that we are familiar with. He brings in horrible words. And I think, as I mentioned also, we should not blame him. He was teaching it to his disciples because just because it is available in an e-book format, you simply download it and read it. And then you go on blaming him, should he not have used plain words. Of course, I wish he would have used plain words. But for what is called downloading without permission, you will get only this kind of result. Upalambha, Samacharatha. Upalambha means direct experience. Samacharatha means seeing the behavior. And our reaction to it is called Samachara. So a musician, I told you in the last class, a musician produces a huge white elephant from his small hat. He can produce not only a rabbit. A fellow who can produce a rabbit can also produce an elephant. I think he can also produce you. There is no doubt about it. This is called Mayahasti, means what? As soon as the magic is withdrawn, the whole thing completely disappears. What is the point? Point is seeing something is not a proof of existence. Because in dream also we see, we react. In dream also, somebody is coming towards us with what is called AK-47. And we can have heart attack. Yes, several people have heart attacks. Probably they had. Early morning, their neighbors or family members find him. Happily, that fellow had died. They say very happily without any suffering. Who knows whether he had any heart attack in his dream? We do not know. So this is the example given by Gaudapada in the 44th Karika. He says, We all, especially if you see a magic, and you are told it is a magic, and even if you see five times, ten times, you know that it is only a magical rabbit, a magical elephant. But if nobody tells it is a magic, and if you happen to see it every day, and then you will have no doubt that this thing absolutely exists really, and that is proof of it is what? Because I see it. Proof of it is what? I am reacting and it is also reacting towards me. There is definitely, it is there. अस्ति वस्तु तथा विच्चते An elephant conjured up by the magician, on account of its being perceived, and also on account of its answering to the behaviors of a real animal, is said to exist. Exactly the same way, also our objects are said to exist, on account of their being perceived, and also on account of their answering to our dealings with them. But in truth, the objects of sense perception are as usual, as unreal as the magician's elephant. We have to understand that. So exactly in the same way, the unborn Brahman is seen as born, as moving and as real. Dreams. And one example, but I will now give you another example. Supposing somebody challenges you, that you believe, you proclaim, there is no Buddha, no ghost. That fellow says, what is the problem? Go to the crematorium at midnight and come back. He says, what is the big deal? I will go. You go there. And suddenly, the branches of a huge banyan tree are moving, and the dance of the devils starts there. Not one, but many creatures. Not only that, you hear their sounds also. It may be cricket sound. It may be jackal sound. It doesn't matter. But you hear directly, they are being emitted from the mouths of the ghosts, etc. And then by the second, your confirmation that they are real, and they are all looking at you. They are not looking even at a friend if you take them. And they are after you. And they are all running, having Olympic competition to grab you. Who would be the first? And when you feel like that, then what is yours? You run away. What is this example for? You will not run away if you think such a thing doesn't exist. That the moment you think it exists, you will run away. So this is what we are doing day and night, not only in the dream, but in the Jagradavastha also. And then the same idea is repeated in the 45th, which we have dealt with. चात्याभासं चलाभासं वस्त्वाभासं तथैवच अजः अचलं अवस्तुत्वं इग्नानं शान्तं अध्वयं And Gaudapada gives the earlier examples and says, जाति आभासं आभासं means mere appearance, not in reality. The जाति, here जाति means birth. So as if the infinite is born. I'm using deliberately the word infinite because if you use ब्रह्मन, as if somebody is sitting there with tremendous splendor, like we see Lakshmi Narayana on a calendar, printed by many of the business houses. No, जाति आभासं, as if he is born. चलाभासं and as if he is moving. वस्त्वाभासं and he is a real object. आभासं means appearance, mere appearance without a shred of existence. So, ब्रह्मन is born, ब्रह्मन is moving and ब्रह्मन is a real object. तथाईवचा, like मायाहस्ति, etc. Because what happens, the infinite cannot be born because you have to remember some of the logical points. Birth is a change and after that, a baby grows, becomes a young person, old person, diseased person, suffering person, then dead person. Now, there is a psychological point. I am trying many times to instill that idea within all of us that as soon as you say that this is changing, something is changing. This baby is now a grown-up child. This child is now a beautiful youth. This youth now is an old man. That is, the same being has changed. Now, what are you telling? What is the point? The point is that to perceive, to experience, to judge that this is changing, you must cling to something which is unchanging. Look at this example just now I gave you. So, there is some person, call him a person. And that person is born. That person is growing. That person has become old. And the birth of that person, the growth of that person, they change, all the changes you are attributing to that person who remains changeless. That is why you say, Oh, you are the same person. I don't see any change in you. 50 years, the person laughs. He looks the same. And even though he has become Vedanti now, and you go on telling the same person. When you utter unconsciously the word the same person, you are unconsciously referring to the aspect of changelessness. But you are committing a terrible, terrible mistake. On one hand, you are saying, this person is a changeless person. At the same time, you are attributing, this person was a baby, this person became a child, a young person, middle-aged, old-aged, suffering, and Vedanti. On one hand, you are saying it is changeless. On the other hand, you are telling that which is changing. Same changeless object can never become changeful. And a changeable object ever remains only a changeable object. And that such an object never exists anywhere in this world. So I hope I can only convey in my language what I am trying to instill into your brains, that you cannot say at the same time, a changeless something is undergoing a change. Now apply it to Brahman. On the contrary, you are saying Brahman is ajataha, He is unborn. And then He is born. Brahman is unborn and Brahman is born also. But when you say Brahman is unborn, you say it is changeless, nitya, ajo nitya shashvatoyam. So this is how, from the Bhagavad Gita, it is said. But at the same time, this is a man, this is a woman, this is Bhishma, this is Drona, this is Duryodhana, etc., etc. You are attributing to the Atman which doesn't belong, anything that doesn't belong to the Atman, to the Atman. This is a great mistake all of us are committing. Why are we committing? The simple answer Gaudapada gives, Vedanta gives, scriptures give, is what? You are trying to see the changeless through the prism of the mind which is subject to time, space and causation. Time means change. Space means change. Causation means change. All the three indicate only change. This is what the 45th Karika Gaudapada wants to instill into us, Abhasa. You are seeing okay. You are seeing something is moving okay. And in fact, there is a terrible philosophy behind this movement. Anything moving. That's why a cinema is called a movie. You see a person, he is moving. But it is proved scientifically, there is nothing called, really a phenomena called moving. What happens? The person is at any still moment, so the person is standing, next moment he lifts his leg for example, and the next minute he keeps it somewhere else, then next minute he lifts another leg. So like that one after the other, every moment is a still moment. But when these still moments are watched by our human eye, which has a defect, the last impression of that moment remains in the mind before the next moment impinges upon it and they get glued together and this creates the illusion of movement. That's why somebody has created a beautiful book. I wish you could go through it. So what is that? A person is dancing and this person has drawn hundreds of pages of every tiny change in the movement and when you turn the pages, you see only a still picture. But when you see this person moving it fast, then you flick the pages like that, then you see a real dancing person, which proves movement is only our mind's trick. Really there is nothing called movement at all. Anyway coming back, just I wanted to share some of my ideas with you that Brahman is born, the unborn is born, the infinite is moving. Where does it move? And it appears to be one object among billions of objects exactly in the same way. Aja means that which is unborn. Achala, that which cannot move because it is infinite. Avasthutva and that which is not endowed with any name and form and qualities. That Vijnanam, that knowledge of the Brahman brings about what? Advayam Shantam. So we have to perceive Brahman is Advayam, non-dual and then mind becomes Shantam. Now put it another way, only when the mind becomes Shantam, everything becomes Advayam and that knowledge completely removes the false notion something is born. These are all ideas in our mind. So here I will tell you something which is very very important. That is, is it all true? Whatever you are saying, whatever Gaudapada is writing and whatever you are explaining, is it all real? And I have to tell you it is all false. I should not have told you that one because whatever we express through mind is all false. Nothing can be real. Can I think of Brahman? No, you cannot think of Brahman. Can I become Brahman? Yes, you can become Brahman. That is, you get beyond the state of mind and you become one with Brahman. Then you know Brahma Veda, Brahma Eva Bhavati, there is no doubt. But so long as you view Brahman through the prism of the mind because all philosophies are what? Mind-borne philosophies. I am inclined to say blind-borne philosophies. That is, everybody is convinced what I think is right and that is the meaning of Ramakrishna's beautiful saying. Ramakrishna says beautifully, everybody thinks his watch alone is right. The only correct watch is the sun. So this is it. But until we reach that state, what will they do? First of all, these thoughts, these talks, these ideas that stimulate higher reason within us and they will not allow us to lower our mind to animal level, of the body level, of the enjoyment level. I do not for a moment mean that we should not eat, drink or enjoy. God forbid. What I mean is that it is all not really real. It is nothing but pure illusion in the mind because taste is an illusion, beauty is an illusion, good smell is an illusion and what is called touch is an illusion. Everything is an illusion. So this is what we discussed. Oh, this man Devadatta is born, he moves and he is known to be fair and tall and therefore Devadatta is real. But in contrast to that, it is consciousness which is free from birth, free from change, all peace and therefore non-dual. So then we move on to the, at least one verse we have to do. So in the 46th karika, what is Godapada leading us to? evam na jayate chittam As the example given there, Brahman is free from birth, from movement means change, change means that is the movement from one state to the other state and whatever we experience, that is called the the object, reality, that is all false. But then as I mentioned earlier, Godapada uses horrible words uses the word chittam. Chittam means what? Mind. So evam, as described earlier, if I have understood all that, this mind is not born. How can mind not be born? Mind, the very concept of mind is, it is born, that is it moves and it creates all these illusions like the cinema machine or the projector goes on creating by its movement. So chittam means what here? Not mind. Chittam means Brahman. Who can imagine this word that Godapada is telling? You have to control your chittam, you have to control God, otherwise he will create havoc in your life and he is telling chittam na jayate. That mind doesn't exist. No, Brahman is not born. Jayate means birth. Brahman is not born and then another word we come across, evam dharmaha. Exactly as the Brahman is not born, evam. Exactly in the same way, dharmaha, all living creatures, ajaha smritaha, they are also not born. Neither Brahman is born nor Jivas are born. Evam eva vijanantaha. A sage who knows this truth, na patanthi, or any sages who know this truth, viparyaya na patanthi, they never again fall into viparyaya. What is viparyaya? That is false knowledge, ignorance, agnana, avidya. It means samsara. They never again are born into this samsara sagara. They are not born at all. So here is a very important verse we have to understand. There is really not much for us to do vichara or vishleshana. Only we have to be careful. Chittam means Brahman. Chittam means God. So God is not born because if God is born, then He is also born. Very interesting. When you look at Bhagavad Gita, so Bhagavan Krishna, that is Bhagavan Narayana is born. What does it mean? That's why Shankaracharya starts with Gita commentary. So IVA, he uses the word IVA many times. What IVA means? What? As if God is born. Why? For dharma sthapana. Hare Baba, when the world itself is not existing, where is the question of dharma sthapana? When the world is not there, adharma is not there. So like a person who wakes up from a dream and then supposing in the dream this person has snatched your purse and then unfortunately he tripped and fell down and you are very happy and at that there is a lot of money was there in that. At that moment you woke up and then what will you do? That rascal is still unconscious. I will go back and then bring back my purse. I will retrieve my purse. Will you say that? It is as good like that. When a person wakes up to the real awakening that Brahman is never born. So even Brahman is not born, neither Brahman is born nor the world is also born. Dharma means what? We have to include the whole of the world, both chit, what Ramanuja calls chit and achit. So this is the meaning. If you have heard my introduction, you will understand it. And then in the 47th karika, now comes what is the title of this fourth chapter? Alatha Shanti. Alatha means a firebrand. Shanti means that is extinguishing completely and that is what he starts here to give. It is because of this 47th karika, this fourth prakaranam is called Alatha Shanti prakaranam. Very beautiful way of description to indicate that the birth of Brahman and the movement of Brahman and the feeling that an object exists. Jatya Abhasam, Chala Abhasam and Vastava Abhasam, which we have seen earlier is because of that. Today's class, I'll just give you one minute's introduction. You take up a firebrand means what? You can take a well-glowing incense stick. You don't need to do anything. A thick incense stick, well glowing. Take it in your hand. What do you see? One point of the incense stick is glowing brightly and then you move it round very fast. You see a circle. Make it a square. It appears like a square and then make it triangle and it becomes a triangle. If you are intelligent or capable, skillful, you can make it like your boss. So you can extinguish him with one poof like that. So you can make anything. Now really speaking, the tip of the firebrand is only one tip. It remains like that. So does it assume any form like a circle or a square or etc.? Absolutely no. Does it appear like a man, like a dog, like a human being, like a flower, like a tree? Absolutely no. So where from all those forms have come? They have not come from anywhere. They are born out of your mind. And when you keep that incense stick steady, what happens? Suddenly all those forms also disappear. So Godfather gives this beautiful analogy and says those forms did not come from somewhere and suddenly imposed themselves on the tip of the incense stick. And when you stop moving this one, also those forms did not again subside back into the firebrand. But they subsided. They arose in your mind and they subsided in your mind. But the firebrand or the incense stick remains exactly the same. And this is what he says. But in the end, giving this example, he says even like that Brahman, because of the imagination of the mind, Here is a subject. Here is an object. Here is the Jeeva. Here is the world. All this knowledge that means where is the world? In your mind. Where is the idea I am Jeevatma? In your mind. In my mind. Really speaking, there is no world. How do we know? He gives a beautiful example of deep sleep which we will talk about in our next class. May Sri Ramakrishna, Holy Mother and Swami Vivekananda bless us all with Bhakti. Jai Ramakrishna.