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= Discourse on Dṛg-Dṛśya-Viveka: Consciousness, Reflection, and the Nature of the Antaḥkaraṇa =
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== Opening Invocation ==
ॐ सह नाववतु ।
ॐ सह नाववतु ।


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OM SAHANAVAVATO SAHANAV BHUNAKTO SAHAVIRYAM KARAVAVAHAI TEJASVINAVADHITAMASTUMA VIDVISHAVAHAI OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTIHI HARIHI OM
OM SAHANAVAVATO SAHANAV BHUNAKTO SAHAVIRYAM KARAVAVAHAI TEJASVINAVADHITAMASTUMA VIDVISHAVAHAI OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTIHI HARIHI OM
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== Recap: The Nature of Pure Consciousness ==
So, the last śloka we had discussed was this: consciousness — pure consciousness — doesn't rise, doesn't set, doesn't change, doesn't become big, doesn't become small. Why is it so?


So, the last shloka we had discussed was this consciousness, pure consciousness doesn't rise, doesn't set, doesn't change, doesn't become big, doesn't become small. Why is it so? So, supposing, you know, when you ask a question that when was this baby born? You are presuming there was something before the baby was born, there was some time, you know, this time he was born only two years back. That means you know what was two years before.
Supposing you ask a question: "When was this baby born?" You are presuming there was something before the baby was born there was some time. "This time he was born only two years back" means you know what was two years before. If you also say, "When did this person die?" or "When is this person going to die?" — either way, you are going to look forward, so after death there is also a time when it is going to be there.
 
If you also say, when did this person die? That means, or when is this person going to die? Either way, you are going to look forward, so after death there is also, you know, a time when it is going to be there. Now, what is the point? The point is there must be a consciousness which was aware before the birth of something and the disappearance of parents and disappearance of something. Now, without consciousness, how will you know that this was not born before? If you are not conscious of that, then you will never know that there was a past.
 
If there was no past, you will never ask the question when was this born, coming to be. You can never ask because you don't even know. So just imagine that somebody has an appointment.
 
So, supposing there is an appointment and what happens is, I had that experience, somebody wanted to see me and I totally forgot about that. For example, at 4 o'clock I have to see somebody, totally forgot. At about 4.30 I remember that I had an appointment.
 
I go down. Fortunately, the fellow who was supposed to come never arrived. So I will be sitting there.
 
Five seconds after I was sitting there, he arrives, Swamiji, I am so apologetic. I am sorry I kept you waiting for half an hour and I am glaring at him as though I am going to... The poor fellow doesn't know, I totally forgot. He came only two seconds before and I would not let him know that fact.
 
So naughty, right? So, this is an example. If we are not aware of the past, we won't be asking the question, when? We will not even know how to measure when a person is born. The whole concept of time will be gone.
 
Concept of time, consciousness of time, Time means we know the past, we know the present, we know... Now, this is a very superficial thought. It is an introduction. But really speaking, time itself is very temporal.
 
So, if you are asking about time, you must be aware of timelessness. So, something that is aware of timelessness must be beyond time. That means, is there a time when it was not there? Will there be a time when it will come to a stop? That means it is eternal.
 
For something which is eternal, how do you say, when did consciousness arise? So, when we ask such a question, what we are presuming is not consciousness, but the reflection of consciousness associated with something which is limited. That is called reflection of consciousness. So, what is a reflection? If we have to have a reflection, then we must be there, of course.
 
Without us, there would be no reflection of ours. But there must be a reflecting media, in this case, a mirror. So, the reflection in the mirror, and the mirror, they are constant factors.
 
You can't say the mirror is there, but the reflection is not there. Or the reflection is there, and the mirror is not there. The moment you see the reflection, you have to presume that both the mirror and the reflection, both are born at the same time, and both also disappear exactly at the same time.
 
So, with that analysis, what do we have to understand? What is this reflection here? It is our awareness is called reflection. So, consciousness and awareness. What is the relationship? Consciousness is eternal.
 
Awareness is something like a reflection. So, you are there, you are constant. Do you see the point? You are in your house, and you are there, and the mirror is there.
 
But the mirror has no reflection, because if you are moving that way, the mirror is practically useless. When you come and stand before the mirror, then the mirror and the reflection, both become coals. That reflection is like awareness.
 
So, you are aware now, you are sitting here and listening. That is your pure consciousness Reflecting in the limited media of your mind is making this observation. So, what is my point? The reflecting media and the reflection, they go together.
 
So, Maharaj, we are aware of the world. Only when there is a mind, an ahankara. These are the points in the next few verses until the thirteenth verse.
 
What is being elaborated here? The birth of the mind, subtle body or ego, and its function, and its destruction. The birth, the srishti, sthiti and vaya are the ahankara, are our bondage. We are concerned with the bondage.
 
Why was he talking about those three seers and three scenes? It is only to bring this point, because this pure sakshi, it is not in bondage. So, that is no problem. And the world being completely seen has no problem.
 
It doesn't even know I exist. It is you who say, I see you exist. And you go in front of the mirror and smile.
 
This mirror, what a beautiful mirror. It is smiling. Does the mirror know that it is smiling? Or is it you who know and who say, you bad mirror, I am smiling, and still you don't show me beautiful.
 
The poor mirror doesn't know. So, the world itself has no problem. Its existence, its birth and its death all depend upon our mind.
 
When does it happen? When you are in sushupti, the whole universe is completely dead. But the moment you wake up, then the world comes. I am here.
 
Does the world say, I am here? Or you are saying to the world, say, what do you say, what do you say? It says, you know, a woman and a boy and a girl were dating. He is not saying anything. The girl asked the boy, John, say, you love me.
 
He said, yes, you love me. He said, yes, you love me. He said, you love me.
 
So, this is being described here. So, let us go through this. Verse number six.
 
Chit chaya vesato buddhau bhanam destu vidhasthita ekaham kritir anyasyat antah karanarupine So, here he introduces a new word. Chit chaya. Chaya means shadow.
 
Chit chaya means the shadow of the chit. Chit. Chit means consciousness.
 
So, chitaha, chitihi. Chitihi is the noun. Chitaha means the shashti bhakti, of the pure consciousness.
 
Chetana, chiti, all these are synonymous words. Chit chaya means the reflection or the shadow of pure consciousness. So, always this is a very important word.
 
You say, why is Atman bound? Atman is never bound. What is it that appears to be bound? Again, that is very important. That appears to be bound.
 
You know? Chhaya grahi. Atman. He caught it.
 
So, like that. It is only, we are all, you know, like that chhaya. We are all chhayas.
 
And so, that is why we are caught. Somebody catches us. Chit chaya.
 
What is that? Your cosmetic companies catch us. Your dress companies catch us. The whole businesses, all businesses catch you.
 
What do they catch? They never catch the real you. They only catch the chhaya. They judge you by the chhaya.
 
They never judge you by your personality, what you are inside and all those things. They only judge you by your dress. Now, you go for an interview.
 
First thing they see is, first impression, how you are dressing. Later on, they may see something else. This is going on.
 
So, why appearance as if? So, imagine the sun is reflecting in a small pot of water. As if that sun is caught. I caught.
 
So, what did you catch really? Reflection. So, did you really catch? Can you catch? You go on beating somebody's shadow. What is happening to this other person? Nothing is happening.
 
So, nothing happens either to the reflection, nothing happens to the original thing also. The whole thing is a show. How difficult it is to understand.
 
That is why the dream, very often we refer to the dream. Because in dream, you can go on beating your boss. So, he is happy, you are happy, everybody is happy.
 
So, chhaya, aveshata, buddha, buddhi is the reflecting medium. There is a material called buddhi. And when this chhaya, the reflection of the chit, means reflection of the consciousness.
 
Now, when we say reflection of the consciousness, the reflection also acts like the original. If a mirror is reflecting sunlight, the mirror also acquires the power of illuminating the darkness. Because it is only reflection.
 
From that point of view, the reflection is no different. In fact, if you go a little deeper also, to use these words original and reflection, can you ever separate the reflection from the origin? You can never do that. But it appears to be.
 
How does it appear to be a reflection? When do you say it is a reflection? When there is a reflecting medium. Only when there is a reflecting medium, you say there is reflection. If you remove the reflecting medium, then the reflection is not there, the origin only will be there.
 
That's why in Japanese Zen Buddhism, they said, find out your original face. Find out your original face. You can never find out.
 
Why? Because you who are seeking, you are the reflection. So to find out your original face, you have to die. And when you die, there is no person seeking the original face.
 
That is the most wonderful thing. So this Chit Chaya, there is a material called Buddhi. When this reflection falls, means when Chit is reflected in that Buddhi, then two things happen.
 
That Buddhi transforms itself into two. One is called Ahamkara. Because that Ahamkara belongs to the Chit.
 
Because what is Chit? You know, I am so and so. I am. But as far as I am is concerned, there is no bondage.
 
But the moment you say, I am so and so, so that so and so becomes the reflection and bondage. So he is telling, when this Chit reflects in that Ghata or reflecting medium called Buddhi, two things happen. One is called Ahamkara.
 
The other is called Antahkarna. What we call mind. Mano, Buddhi, Chitta, Ahamkara.
 
Now, these four are divided into two. Ahamkara is one, and the other three are there. Why is this division? Why is this division? Because even to say that my mind, there must be Ahamkara.
 
To say, I remember, I do not remember. Ahamkara should be there. I know and I do not know.
 
Ahamkara is needed. That is why this Antahkarna is divided into two parts. Ahamkara is one part, and the rest is another part.
 
Now, this is what happens when the Chit is reflected in the reflecting medium. But there is something wonderful, because, you know, we are trying to understand Advaita Vedanta. So all these are analogical procedures, examples.
 
So here is the sun, here is the pot of water, and here is the reflection. Because we live in the dualistic world, we already presume these two, reflecting pot. So the sun is there, and the sun falls into the water, and the reflecting medium comes.
 
But what we have to understand here, the reflecting medium itself is a modification of the Chit Chaya. It is not that it is sitting there for the Chit to be reflected. That itself is like an ice cream cup.
 
A cone. No, no, ice cream cup, not a cone, ice cream cup. Yes, you can say cone also.
 
But you can understand the cone. But once I was travelling in the aeroplane. They gave me a cup of ice cream.
 
Now I say, why did they not supply me a spoon to eat this ice cream? It took me some time to figure out. The cup itself is made up of the ice cream. But it is looking like a real cup.
 
Inside I can see it is ice cream. Oh, you have to eat it like that. You have to eat the whole cup.
 
You know, without handle, the whole cup is there. You have to eat. If it is like a cone, immediately even I can understand.
 
It took me some time to figure out that the whole thing is meant to be so realistic. Oh yeah, I didn't know what you were saying. Maharaj, quick question.
 
Is this any different than usually Antarkara is defined as Manu, Buddhi, Chitta and Ahankara. Yes. But here they are saying Ahankara is separate and these three are called Antarkara.
 
No, no. What he is trying to tell that even from your point of view also is Ahankara is common to all the three. Ahankara means there must be somebody to know that this is my Buddhi, this is my Manas and this is my Chitta.
 
So that even though the whole thing is consisting of including the Ahankara, but that Ahankara has a special function. What is the function? The Chitta doesn't know I am a Chitta. The Buddhi doesn't know I am a Buddhi.
 
The Manas doesn't know I am a Manas. So there must be this reflected consciousness which illumines and adds to say I am the Manas, I am the Buddhi and I am the Chitta. It's almost like the I is the Ahankara, the Truth and these three are Krishna.
 
That is the point. That is the point really. So the most important point is here is the world, here is the Sakshi, in between comes the so-called mind with the reflected consciousness.
 
So this is the first point we have to catch. The bondage and the liberation happen neither to the Chitta nor to the Drishya, but to this fellow which is in between and it identifies itself both with the Chitti and also with the Drishya. The world itself has no consciousness.
 
So I have to give and say this is a tree, this is a beautiful tree, this is an ugly tree, let me cut it off. All these things somebody else has to do. And he says, oh, I am not happy.
 
He says, no, I am very happy now. Adusutra Ukkha Nela, Kalu, Kodukha Nela. It is the condition.
 
So you understand now? Buddhi appears to possess luminosity on account of the reflection of consciousness in it. Intelligence or Buddhi is of two kinds. One is designated Egoity and the other is Mind consisting of those three.
 
Manas, Chitta and Buddhi. Buddhi itself divided as it were into two. One part is Manas, Chitta and Buddhi, another part is Ahamkara.
 
That Ahamkara acts as the prop for all the three. So that is the most important point for us to... I cannot make a decision. I cannot remember.
 
I do not know what is this. It can be this, it can be the other thing also. That is why he wants to make the point very clear.
 
So the only point I added to this is that material in which the reflection of the consciousness is going to fall as though it was already created separately and waiting for the Chitta to reflect. My point is that itself is the creation. The reflection of Chitta itself creates simultaneously the reflecting medium and also the reflection.
 
How do we know? This analogy, suppose it is dark. There is a pot of water. As though nothing existed.
 
The moment sun rises, what does it do? Not only it reflects, but it also illumines the pot of the water. Oh yes, here is a pot of water. Oh yes, there is a reflection in that pot of water.
 
Both are made possible only because of the reflection of the consciousness. So here he is not telling it is created, but as though it is there. But who is creating it? It is the reflection only that is creating it.
 
Don't you see? When you go to sleep, deep sleep, the whole world disappears. When you wake up, two things happen. There is a world and there is you who recognises the world.
 
Both simultaneously come into being as soon as you wake up. When you go to sleep, simultaneously both of them disappear. So in a sense you can say, who creates this world? I create the world and I also create myself.
 
I also create myself to recognise, yes, there is this world. So within us there are two all the time. Mother, is it like this ego? Taku says ripe ego and unripe ego.
 
So here this ego is a part, ripe ego and the other unripe ego has the mind. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Ripe ego and unripe ego both belong to the mind.
 
And there is somebody else sitting there, who knows, I know both of you. Don't you know, you say that, oh, I was a fool. When you make that statement, you are actually cognising two things.
 
Before I was a fool, now I am a wise person. And then I am aware of your past, I am also aware of your present. Like this, that means there is the reflection, the original and at the same time the reflection.
 
And how that reflection is reacting, illuminating the whole mind, the whole thing as it were simultaneously it is going. Do you get the point? Here is the sun, here is the pot of water and here is the reflection. How many things are there now? Three.
 
You see, that's why Thakur's example is most wonderful. Ten pots are there, you break one, when the last pot is there. When the last pot is there, how many suns are there? One, two.
 
When the last pot is there. Oh, is there, not broken. Then what? Three things are there.
 
What are those three things? One pot and two suns. Reflected sun and... So you see, always within us we are like this, that's the pot. So within us, this is the pot and there is reflection.
 
And someone who also knows that here is both the pot and the reflection. So we have all three within us. The one who is the I and then the reflection and also the reflecting medium.
 
All three are there. But at different levels. No, no, there are only two levels.
 
There are only two types of beings. One being says, I am the original sun, here is the pot and reflection. The other one says, I am the pot, reflecting and there is original sun.
 
So those who think I am the pot, they go to pot. Those realised souls, they say, I am the self, here is a body, mind. We say, I am the body, mind and there is a self.
 
Maharaj Ji, you have explained this in the Vittal Chakra, Uttama Purusha. Yes, that is why in the Gita, the Lord Shankaracharya's commentary is a fantastic commentary. Anytime we are experiencing any object, there are two buddhis.
 
Any object. This is important for us to recognise. So one buddhi is that which never varies.
 
Another buddhi is that which always varies. So, for example, you know, when I say, I was a baby. These are different photographs.
 
So this was the photograph when I was a baby. This was a photograph when I was young. This is the photograph as I am now.
 
There are two. This is, I was, I as young, I as old. The other is, now I am the old person.
 
Always we have this idea. An unvarying I and a constantly varying I. The unvarying I is the witness. And the varying I is the object of that witness, which is the changing body, mind, complex.
 
It is always there. So, this is in another way, within this context, imagine there is a pot of water. Imagine there is the reflection.
 
Irrespective of the pot is small or big, the reflection will always be the same. So that reflection is called jiva. The varying factors is like the small pot, big pot, small amount of water, big amount of water, all those things.
 
And the original Self is there. So that is what in the 15th chapter, we have done the 15th chapter, so it is there. He says, I am the So, always we have got these two buddhis.
 
An unvarying content and a varying content. See, this is the same thing, he has put it in a different way. Anyway, the thing is, if there is a buddhi, the chit, when it illumines that buddhi, two things are born simultaneously.
 
Ahankara, as if it is not separate, it is part of the antahkarana, but it is separated for the sake of understanding the antahkarana in a better way. Ahankara and also manas, buddhi, etc. That is the essence of this particular shloka.
 
So, just to see. Sixth one. Buddhi appears to possess luminosity on account of the reflection of consciousness in it.
 
That is the reflection. As if this reflection is divided by this author into two. Actually, what is called the buddhi is, I am antahkarana.
 
And that antahkarana has got four parts. Ahankara, mana, buddhi, chitta. But, ahankara is very special.
 
Because without that, everything else is there. You know, when you are sleeping, your mind is there, your buddhi is there, your chitta is there. But what happens without ahankara? As if they were non-functional.
 
Is it not? So, that is the idea here. Now, why is he describing this? In these few shlokas, until we come to number thirteen, the birth of the antahkarana, the function and sustenance of the antahkarana, and how this antahkarana can be brought to an end. Because that is our goal.
 
Sadhana is meant only to bring this antahkarana to an end. And with the help of the antahkarana. So, antahkarana has to destroy itself.
 
Then, the problem of reflection, everything will go away. Then you don't have to study these things at all. Okay, let us proceed to the... Tadatmya dehas chetana magat.
 
Dehas chetana tam agat. Dehas chetana tam agat. So, matam means the teaching or the opinion of whom? As they say matam, it means somebody who knew about it.
 
This is the teaching of somebody who knew the truth about this. So, what happens? This chaya, here chaya means chit chaya, the reflection of consciousness and ahankara. These two, they become one.
 
Not really one, but appear to be completely one, as if it becomes. The example is tapta aya pindavata. Ayaha means an iron ball.
 
Tapta means, you know, if it is put in the fire, it becomes, it glows red. Now, it appears as though the iron ball has acquired the power of burning. Actually, you don't see the fire separately.
 
It has become one. This has become red. And it has all the characteristics of the fire.
 
So, it is so mixed up. One appears to be, the iron ball appears to be fire, fire appears to be iron ball. It is an interesting fact now.
 
But, have you seen fire without any medium? Have you seen light without a medium? This fact is so common and so interesting and yet we miss it. See, there is so much of sunlight here. We just go above stratosphere, pitch black.
 
Was there no sunlight? What happened? There was no obstruction between the sun and that place. So, why is it pitch black? Because there is no reflecting medium there. Here, there are lots of dust particles and other things.
 
Anything is enough to reflect, any object, since there is no object there. You don't see the light at all. What a wonderful fact it is.
 
That means, what is the conclusion? The conclusion is, you can never see light. You can only infer light through the medium. But you say, what are you talking about? We see light all over.
 
You are not seeing light. You see only on the car. What is this light you see? It is the reflection of invisible particles there.
 
I told you that there is a wonderful programme a few days back on the BBC. BBC is producing lots of marvellous programmes. Ah, but it is useless because we cannot watch from here.
 
Yes, you can. BBC is not... No, no, you are absolutely right. It is useless.
 
What is useless? BBC is not useless. Their management is useless. You can get it here also.
 
Yes, yes, there is. I know a way. Something, D&T or something like that.
 
Online, right? No, no, no, no. I try. This is what is called, you know, one country's broadcasts.
 
Unless they themselves franchise, others cannot watch it. But there is a way to overcome that. I think it is a BNP system or something like that.
 
As far as I tried, but we couldn't get it to work. No, no, that is why they are broadcasting. I am not saying about that.
 
Soon I think you will get it. Because this iPlayer, once it comes... I downloaded that too, Maharaj. No, no, not... The BNP also is there.
 
You have to get licence for that. Non-Europeans. In Europe you can get? No, no, they are contemplating.
 
Once it comes, you can watch them. Or the other way is by the videos or YouTube. Many times they are putting.
 
Many things they are putting. So I will mention just two things. The stardust thing I was looking for.
 
No, this is, seeing the stars is one beautiful programme. The other one is, do you see what I see? That means colours. There is no such thing called colour.
 
Colour is a complete, complete misnomer. Is the absence of... No, no. First of all, colour is a production of the brain.
 
Concoction of the brain. And they have shown one experiment. I will just tell you in brief.
 
So, anybody who is watching the TV itself can participate in that experiment. So they have shown four, what is called, squares. The upper two squares.
 
One is complete green, another is complete red. And in between these two, they are complete like a window. Two separate windows.
 
In between these two windows there is a small circle. Very small circle for us to glare at. Down below there is what is called, one picture in both these of a desert.
 
You know the sandy colour? You have seen that one? No. Sandy colour. Both sides, both panels.
 
In between also, there is a small circle where you have to glare. Now having shown this, the first thing they say, now go on glaring at that small circle in the upper one, which where left side is green, right side is red. For a minute or so, you go on glaring at it.
 
So before doing that, you see this is green, this is red. This whole, both of them are completely sand colour. It is one complete big photograph divided only into two sand dunes and all.
 
Now you go on glaring at it for one minute. And having glared at it, now you start glaring at this circle. Now what happens is, that sand one, the left side of the sand picture becomes greenish and the right side of the sand picture becomes reddish.
 
But that is only momentary. Again, I mean, again the true reflection... No, no, what is meant is, why do we see that? No, no, I will come to that point also. They are more intelligent than us.
 
So, that means the brain is focussing and says, since this is green and this is red, so after learning from there, this is green, this is also red. That means, when you are seeing like this, then which is the original colour? That is one. Then the second experiment for answering your question, it is only momentary.
 
They have kept a lot of pictures, eggs and books of different colours and a plate full of bananas. Do you know bananas? Banana colour. Now the experimenter is going on changing the lights.
 
As that light changes colour, all the objects are changing their colours. This you can understand. Excepting the banana.
 
The banana colour is not changing. What does that show? Because the brain thinks the banana colour must be like this only. In spite of all the changing colours, it still sees the banana as it wants to see.
 
I think it is the priming effect. Something called the priming effect. The point they wanted to make is, colour is purely a production of the brain.
 
Not objectively there is something. It is the brain which is dictating what colour is there. And to prove this one, you can look at artists.
 
If an artist is looking at this, he or she will look in a totally different way. Not only red will not change into green, green will not change into red, but he will see much subtler type of things. Yes, practising.
 
So that shows which is the real colour. The answer is, whichever you see, for you that is the real colour. Isn't it the same thing? Is there a reason for the colour blindness also? No, that is a defect in the... You know, the brain being the same, colour blindness is because of some defect in some of these nerve cells.
 
So that is a different issue. Here there is the instrument which is defective. It could be the brain also.
 
But Maharaj, all people see the same colour. There are different variations. Nobody ever sees the same colour, but because we have agreed not to quarrel with each other, we agree to say, yes, yes, you see that green, yes, I see that green.
 
If you want to quarrel, you say, no, I don't see this green. Yes, you see this. Okay, coming back to our point now.
 
Another, the life of chaos is another programme. I think I told you about this. Life of what? Chaos.
 
So it says there that one thing, the commentator adds that God must have implanted that intelligence in everything for nature. That is why nature can only express so much of variation and other things because God's intelligence is already implanted in that. So to say that nature is enough, we don't need God is a stupid type of statement because the nature gets its intelligence from whom? From God.
 
So like this, the buddhi gets what is called the nature of consciousness to say I am buddhi. Actually that I am belongs to whom? Consciousness. So it is, you know, the sat and the chit and the ananda, all these three belong to? Sakshi.
 
Chiti. The pure consciousness. So the pure consciousness, its reflection when it falls, the first thing the buddhi says is I am buddhi.
 
I am means I exist as buddhi, sat. I know I am buddhi. I am happy, I am unhappy.
 
So in this context also, asti, the whole experience of life is divided into five. Asti, bhati, priyam, nama and rupa. The first three belong to pure consciousness.
 
The last two belong to the world. That's all. Added, so asti, bhati, priyam plus nama, rupa is our life.
 
So... What is asti, bhati, priyam? Asti means sat. Sat, chit and ananda. That's all.
 
Different words. So the word priyam, asti we can understand. Bhati means chit, we can understand.
 
Priyam, everything is priyam. So everything is priyam to God because it is only God. So everything is priyam for God.
 
So how do you explain this one, that we don't like everything, we only like something, we dislike something. No, the idea is everything is dear to something. See, everything in this world is dear to something.
 
You know there are toads, ugly toads. Who loves ugly toads? What do you know? Miss ugly toad, when she comes out parading, then Mr. Ugly Toad will be all gaga. Is it not? How does he address her? How does he address her? My beautiful.
 
Honey, darlings. Is it not? So everything is dear to something in this world because we are jivas. But everything is dear to God because he is none other than God.
 
Means everything is nothing but God. That is the understanding of priyam. So, This is the illustration given.
 
So now you see, the ahankara has become one with the reflection of the pure consciousness. And then it became representative, agent of consciousness. I am conscious.
 
Now this deha goes and identifies itself with the this vichai in the form of ahankara. So just tattva happened out, you know. This is glowing.
 
Supposing another piece of wood goes, or another piece of metal goes and embraces, then what happens? That also starts to glow. Or one magnet, a piece is attached to the magnet, then that piece becomes magnetised. Then another piece which goes and attaches to itself, that also becomes magnetised, isn't it? In that way, here the mind or the antahkarana or the ahankara is getting that ahankara itself, I am, is reflection of the pure consciousness in the antahkarana.
 
And this body or the antahkarana goes and embraces the body. As soon as it embraces the body, the body comes to life and says, Ah, I am smiling. This is how from the pure consciousness to the mind, from the mind to the body.
 
Now, this is what explains how the body really becomes a kartha. Body means in this case, you see, your body is nothing but five jnanendriyas. Five jnanendriyas.
 
The body. So these five jnanendriyas become kartha. Drik.
 
So that is the meaning of the body becoming conscious. So I am the drik and you are the drishya. That is how it gets.
 
But it doesn't understand that if you put off the switch, then you see the puppet stops, it collapses. It is like that. Maharaj, Yudhishthira Maharaj used to give that example that if pain had consciousness, it would have thought that I wrote that novel, I wrote those things.
 
Yes. Not knowing the author of that pain is the wonder. That is the point.
 
The body thinks, I am conscious, not knowing it has borrowed this consciousness from the mind. Why do we say, why can't we say it borrowed its consciousness directly from the original? You see, what happens, that lending, Lehman Brothers or whatever, they lend to other banks and the other banks lend to other banks or customers or whatever. So why can't you ask, why not the customers go directly to the Lehman Brothers? No.
 
No, because they only deal with wholesale. You understand? Don't deal with... So the mind is the wholesaler. So it borrows the consciousness from the pure consciousness and that borrowed consciousness, it freely distributes, lends itself, because it lends with conditions and all those things.
 
You must serve my purpose. This is the process in your office. Your shareholders, they employ this fellow as though you represent us.
 
He is called executive director and the executive director appoints somebody to assist him and those assistants, you know, subcontracting, like the subcontracting, subcontracting, subcontracting. So that is how this whole samsara grows. Subcontracting.
 
I think we are ready to get to how to break that link. Are you? Do you think? Listen. Not so easy.
 
We are ready to borrow some more. Okay. So this is the process described.
 
This is how the body seems to be conscious. The body is not really conscious. It is depending on its consciousness, borrowing from the mind.
 
It cannot directly... Otherwise the mind is not necessary. It could have directly taken it from there. But the mind is necessary.
 
The indriyas borrow from the mind. The mind borrows from the chichaya. Not from the original.
 
You see, the mirror, it borrows its power of illuminating the room from where? You see, the moment that sun goes down or the original light goes off, it's like a moon. You see, this is another example given. Here is sunlight, here is moon, and here is a mirror.
 
So at night, the moonlight is falling on the mirror. And the mirror is illuminating the room and says, Oh mirror, what a great thing you are. If it is a bound soul, it says, Yes, yes, don't forget me.
 
I am giving you light. If it is an enlightened one, it says, No, no, I am sorry. I am only a reflective medium.
 
I don't know anything. You ask the moon. Again, if the moon is a baddha jiva, it says, Yes, I am lending you.
 
But if it is an enlightened soul, it says, No, I am also borrowing from somebody else. Then you go to the sun and you don't need to ask because you know it is self-revealing. So the sun lends to the moon, the moon lends to the mirror.
 
What is the analogy here? The sun is the pure consciousness, the moon is the mind, that is, the mind is the... the moon is the raja of the mind. So the moonlight reflects in the mirror. This body is comparable to that mirror.
 
It appears to be as though the mirror is giving its own light. So it illuminates the room. The room is the prapancha.
 
The reflected reflection in the moon is the deha. It is borrowing from the mind. The moon is the mind and the mind is borrowing from the pure consciousness.
 
Yes, so as though the moon... You mean the reflected was chit-chaya? Chit-chaya was the mind with chit-chaya. Yes, the sun is not coming and sitting in the moon. It is only the sunlight is getting reflected in the moon.
 
This is the point. The original is never coming. It is a reflection of the original.
 
So mind is the chit-chaya? The reflection of the original. Chit-chaya is in the mind. Mind is not chit.
 
Mind is because... Why this is necessary? If the original consciousness is never bound, it is only the limitedness of the mind which makes the consciousness seem to be... Reflecting means seem to be limited. So when we are longing for liberation, it is the mind which gets the liberation. What is it that gets liberation? The chit-chaya is released from the mind by the breaking up of the mind because the pure consciousness is never ever bound.
 
When it is not bound, how do you say it is liberated? So all the liberation and bondage belong only to the reflection and never to the original thing. Otherwise your whole Advaita Vedanta will burst like a dam. See the point.
 
So this is a beautiful analogy, the sun. If the moon, you know, moonlight is small, moonlight is big. That means sunlight is small, sunlight is big.
 
The light is never small or big. It is only the mind grows small, the mind grows big, then accordingly it reflects more or less of light. You see the point? So the original thing, there is no question of... It is only the chit-chaya which, because the reflecting medium is broken, it appears as though that which is bound is gone.
 
These are given in so many ways. You know, in a lake you immerse five, six pots. Imagine they are different coloured pots.
 
Imagine you numbered them. Number one, number two, number three, number four. So we want water from the third tumbler, number fourth tumbler.
 
But what is inside is exactly the same. It appears as though the water inside and the water outside. This inside and outside is because of what? Because of water you are using, inside water, outside water.
 
Are there two types of water, inside water and outside water? It is because of the limiting agent, we are forced to classify the water also into two types, inside water and outside water. The moment you break, it appears as though the inside water has become rushed out and then merged in the outside water. As yet, what rushed out, what rushed in? What rushed in was the tumbler.
 
What rushed out is the tumbler. But because we don't see the water, you know, it appears as though water is rushing in and water is rushing out. So what is rushing in and rushing out is only the tumbler.
 
Now let us proceed. अहंकारस्यतादात्में पिच्छयादेहसाक्षिभिः सहजम् कर्मजम् भ्रांति जिन्यम्च त्रिविधं क्रमात् This is the most interesting verse so far we have come. What is it? This Ahankara is born, so the original is there, original consciousness is there.
 
Then this Antahkarana is there. Then this body and then is there, body is there. So the original consciousness is also consciousness, light.
 
The Ahankara also is the reflected light and the body also appears to be light. Now in between, so original one here and body here, in between the Antahkarana is there. All these three are made, we become conscious of these three because of that Chit Chaya.
 
And that Chit Chaya manifests in the form of Ahankara. Now that Ahankara has got these three things. What are those three things? One is the original consciousness, another is the Chit Chaya and another is the body.
 
So what is its relationship between these two? So Ahankara, what is its relationship with the body? What is its relationship with the Antahkarana, which is Chit Chaya? That means because of Chit Chaya, Ahankara has come. Now how did Chit Chaya create Ahankara? Because of the Antahkarana. Without the Antahkarana, without the reflecting medium, there would be no reflection.
 
So what is the relationship between the reflection and the reflecting medium? What is the relationship between the reflection and the original? You are standing. What is its relationship to you? And what is its relationship to that body which is appearing? The reflection is a body. What is its relationship with itself, with its body nature? Do you see the three things now? Yes, the reflection itself is a reflecting media.
 
So its relationship with the reflection and the reflecting media, the reflection and the origin who is sitting in that. And that reflection itself has a body, it is illuminating. So what is its relationship with these? In other words, Ahankara has to deal with these three.
 
Ahankara with body, Ahankara with the mind, and Ahankara with the pure consciousness. What a beautiful analysis he is bringing. You don't hear of this anywhere.
 
It is necessary to find out what is the relationship. Because if you don't know what connects you, you will not know how to disconnect. Swami Chinmayananda used it to say very nicely.
 
You know what he used to say? If you don't have appointment in the future, you will never be disappointed. It's beautiful, I liked it. So if you don't want to be disappointed, don't make any appointment.
 
So let us deal. Ahankarasya Tadatnya Tadatnya means Taptaya Spindavat, with the body. That's why the body says, I am the body.
 
That means there are two. The body is there, the Ahankara is there. Then only I am the body.
 
I am the mind. I am the pure consciousness. But that Ahankara, I am the pure consciousness.
 
That Ahankara is not this Ahankara. This Ahankara and pure consciousness are totally different. This is a reflective consciousness.
 
That is why it is that Ahankara. Anything has an Ahankara. I am a book.
 
Its existence itself is I am. So that derives from its existence. That existence belongs to pure consciousness, Sat, God.
 
That is why that is borrowed by this, what we call our Ahankara. And so these three factors are there. The body and the mind and the pure consciousness.
 
What is its relationship? That is what is being explored from now onwards. He has raised it unnecessarily. We were blissfully ignorant about all these things.
 
We poked and said, oh, I have three problems. I never even knew I had three problems, three relationships. And now you really made me, you know.
 
Centipede wife and husband were invited for a big dinner party. The husband, long before he was waiting outside, the wife was not coming out, not coming out, not coming out at all. Then he shouted, why are you not coming? He says, she replied, are you mad? Is it so easy to match all the hundred pairs of shoes? Oh, lovely! Hundred pairs of shoes, they have hundred legs, right? It takes long time.
 
Siddhi! Telugu, you know? I know. Right, so these three, Ahankara has these three. So what type of relationships? Once we know what type of relationships, then the next strategy would be how to destroy those three types of relationships.
 
Okay, that is what he is going, is trying to tell. These are three types of relationships. Sahajam, Karmajam, Brahanti Janyanchar.
 
Sahajam, Karmajam, Brahanti Janyanchar. So what is it? The relationship of the Ahankara with Chit Chaya is Sahajam, natural. Because without Chit Chaya, the Ahankara itself will not be there.
 
Ahankara itself is the result of Chit Chaya. The reflecting medium and the reflection, both of them are together always. Their relationship is natural and eternal.
 
That is why we say reflection and reflecting medium. Don't raise foolish objection. Though the mirror could be there, but I am here.
 
The mirror is useless. It is to be called a mirror only when something is there to stand there. So this is called Sahajam.
 
What is the relationship of Ahankara with this body? Karmajam. That is why I am poor, I am rich, you know. I am beautiful, I am ugly.
 
Yesterday that was very good. I said this woman was the ugliest woman in the world. Until I saw her sister.
 
Now I wish to withdraw that statement. So you see, this Ahankara with this body is purely Karmajam. Means what? The Karma shapes the body.
 
And the Ahankara reflects itself. I am small, I am big, I am intelligent, I passed, I failed. And I am old, I am young, I am enlightened.
 
And all those things. There it is totally dependent upon Karma. Why is it? Because the Karma alters this relationship all the time.
 
You see, I am a baby. And then the baby grows up. Oh, I am a grown up.
 
Suppose a person failed. I failed. The person works hard.


Karma. And then he passes. I passed.
Now, what is the point? The point is there must be a consciousness which was aware before the birth of something and the disappearance of things. Without consciousness, how will you know that this was not born before? If you are not conscious of that, then you will never know that there was a past. If there was no past, you will never ask the question "When was this born?" — "When did this come to be?" You can never ask, because you don't even know.
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See, everything depends upon the Karma. How to get rid of it? Karma Yoga. Karma Yogi is one who has no relationship with Karma.
== The Necessity of Awareness of the Past ==
So just imagine that somebody has an appointment. Supposing there is an appointment, and what happens is — I had that experience — somebody wanted to see me and I totally forgot about that. For example, at 4 o'clock I have to see somebody. I totally forgot. At about 4:30 I remember that I had an appointment.


The moment there is no relationship with Karma, the relationship with the body also is totally destroyed. Okay, that is why it is called Karmajam. Sahajam means what? It is a... Its origin itself is dependent upon the Antahkarana.
I go down. Fortunately, the fellow who was supposed to come never arrived, so I will be sitting there. Five seconds after I was sitting there, he arrives. "Swāmījī, I am so apologetic. I am sorry I kept you waiting for half an hour." And I am glaring at him as though I am going to — the poor fellow doesn't know I totally forgot! He came only two seconds before, and I would not let him know that fact. So naughty, right?


And therefore, until Antahkarana is destroyed, this natural relationship you can't alter by work or any such thing. It is not possible. So, the other is Brahmati.
So this is an example. If we are not aware of the past, we won't be asking the question "When?" We will not even know how to measure when a person is born. The whole concept of time will be gone.


What is the relationship of reflection with the original? What is the relationship? It is Brahmati. What is Brahmati? There is no relationship at all. This is living, this is dead.
Concept of time — consciousness of time — means we know the past, we know the present, we know... Now, this is a very superficial thought. It is an introduction. But really speaking, time itself is very temporal.
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This is eternal, this is temporary. Why is it eternal? You are moving all over the house. You are eternal.
== Consciousness as Beyond Time — The Eternal Witness ==
So, if you are asking about time, you must be aware of timelessness. So something that is aware of timelessness must be beyond time. That means: Is there a time when it was not there? Will there be a time when it will come to a stop? That means it is eternal.


But the moment you get out of the mirror sight, then your reflection, it comes and it goes. This is the point. It is all Brahmati.
For something which is eternal, how do you say, "When did consciousness arise?" So, when we ask such a question, what we are presuming is not consciousness, but the reflection of consciousness associated with something which is limited. That is called the reflection of consciousness.
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Brahmati means... What is this reflected Ahamkara saying now? I am puny. I am born. I am growing.
== The Reflecting Medium: Mirror, Reflection, and Original ==
So, what is a reflection? If we have to have a reflection, then we must be there, of course — without us, there would be no reflection of ours. But there must be a reflecting medium, in this case a mirror. So the reflection in the mirror and the mirror: they are constant factors.


I am going to be dead. But the Chit itself will never say, I am born and I am going to be dead. Therefore, completely diametrically opposite characteristics.
You can't say the mirror is there but the reflection is not there, or the reflection is there and the mirror is not there. The moment you see the reflection, you have to presume that both the mirror and the reflection are born at the same time, and both also disappear exactly at the same time.


Therefore, Brahmati Janyam means... What is that Brahmati Janyam? The Ahamkara is born out of Brahmati. How can there be a relationship? There is no relationship. So if there is no relationship, but there seems to be a relationship, which is called Brahmati, so when does the Brahmati get out? When? See, you are seeing a snake.
So, with that analysis, what do we have to understand? What is this reflection here? It is our awareness — called reflection. So: consciousness and awareness. What is the relationship? Consciousness is eternal. Awareness is something like a reflection.


Your relationship with the snake is purely... No, your relationship with the rope is purely a Brahmati. You are seeing nothing but the rope. But you are imagining it is not a rope.
So you are there, you are constant. You are in your house, and you are there, and the mirror is there. But the mirror has no reflection, because if you are moving that way, the mirror is practically useless. When you come and stand before the mirror, then the mirror and the reflection both become coeval. That reflection is like awareness.


You are imagining it is a snake. So it is creating a problem. So what is the way out? Bring light.
So, you are aware now — you are sitting here and listening. That is your pure consciousness reflecting in the limited medium of your mind, making this observation.


Then the snake disappears. So the Brahmati, what is opposite of Brahmati? Jnanam. The opposite of Jnanam is Jnanam.
So, what is my point? The reflecting medium and the reflection go together. So, the world — we are aware of the world only when there is a mind, an ''ahaṃkāra''.
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When Jnanam comes, not only that will disappear, Jnanam is the final destruction for all the three types of relationships. That is what he wants to say. So he is clarifying now the relationships.
== Introduction to Verse Six: Cit-Chāyā and the Birth of the Antaḥkaraṇa ==
These are the points in the next few verses until the thirteenth verse. What is being elaborated here? The birth of the mind, the subtle body or ego, and its function, and its destruction. The birth, the ''sṛṣṭi'', ''sthiti'' and ''laya'' of the ''ahaṃkāra'' — these are our bondage. We are concerned with the bondage.


How many types of relationships? Sahajam, Karmajam and Brahmati. If this is clear, let us go to the other one. Sambandheno Satornasthi Nivrtti Sahajasyato Karmakshayat Prabodhachya Nivrtte Te Kramaduhe Nivrtte Te Kramaduhe Now he is telling how can we get out of these three types of relationships.
Why was he talking about those three seers and three scenes? It is only to bring this point: because this pure ''sākṣī'' is not in bondage, so that is no problem. And the world, being completely seen, has no problem. It doesn't even know I exist. It is you who say, "I see you exist."


Mukti means getting out of relationship. Relationship is possible only when there is a duality. There must be a minimum of two.
And you go in front of the mirror and smile. "This mirror — what a beautiful mirror! It is smiling." Does the mirror know that it is smiling? Or is it you who know and who say, "You bad mirror, I am smiling and still you don't show me beautiful"? The poor mirror doesn't know.


That is why it is called Dvaita. So Advaita, no relationship. Dvaita, always it is natural, relationship will be there.
So the world itself has no problem. Its existence, its birth and its death all depend upon our mind. When does it happen? When you are in ''suṣupti'', the whole universe is completely dead. But the moment you wake up, then the world comes. "I am here." Does the world say, "I am here"? Or are you saying to the world, "Say, what do you say?"
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So these are the, all relationships fall into three categories. So one important point for us to remember is, all these three relationships are completely Brahmati Jnana only. Why? Just as in your dream, when you go into your dream, how many of you are there in the dream? Two.
== Verse Six ==
''Cit-chāyāveśato buddhau bhānam destu vidhāsthitā'' ''ekāhaṃ-kṛtir anyasyāt antaḥkaraṇarūpiṇe''


I am watching. Witness. Because when you wake up, I saw myself as a small girl taking the school books and walking, and a dog came walking.
So, here he introduces a new word: ''cit-chāyā''. ''Chāyā'' means shadow. ''Cit-chāyā'' means the shadow of the ''cit''. ''Cit'' — ''cit'' means consciousness. ''Citaḥ'', ''citiḥ'' — ''citiḥ'' is the noun. ''Citaḥ'' means the ''ṣaṣṭhī-bhakti'', "of the pure consciousness." ''Cetanā'', ''citi'' — all these are synonymous words. ''Cit-chāyā'' means the reflection or the shadow of pure consciousness. This is always a very important word.
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An incident that happened 30 years back comes rushing into your mind and all that. Three things. What are those three things? The first thing is the original you witnessing the whole dream.
== Ātman Is Never Bound — Only the Reflection Appears Bound ==
You say, "Why is ''ātman'' bound?" ''Ātman'' is never bound. What is it that appears to be bound? Again, that is very important — that ''appears'' to be bound. You know — ''chāyā-grāhī'' — ''ātman'': "He caught it." So, like that — it is only we are all, you know, like that ''chāyā''. We are all ''chāyās''.


That is how you remember. The character in your dream doesn't remember the dream. It is you, your original you, who remembers what happened in the dream.
And so that is why we are caught. Somebody catches us. ''Cit-chāyā'' — what is that? Your cosmetic companies catch us. Your dress companies catch us. The whole businesses — all businesses — catch you. What do they catch? They never catch the real you. They only catch the ''chāyā''. They judge you by the ''chāyā''. They never judge you by your personality, what you are inside. They only judge you by your dress.


Then your creation of yourself in the dream. And then your creation of everything else in the dream. So it is that your creation of yourself, Oh, this person likes me, that person doesn't like me, this dog is barking at me, etc., etc., all is dependent upon that one.
Now, imagine the sun is reflecting in a small pot of water — as if that sun is caught. "I caught." So what did you catch really? Reflection. Did you really catch? Can you catch? You go on beating somebody's shadow — what is happening to this other person? Nothing is happening.


Even if you see hundred people, that other hundred totally depend upon that reflected you, created by you in the dream. And you, the created one, and how you are relating and reacting, that is being recorded simultaneously by the original you who created that dream. You see now? So, now with that understanding, let us go.
So, nothing happens either to the reflection, and nothing happens to the original thing also. The whole thing is a show. How difficult it is to understand!


The first, the last sentence, the second sentence, Karmakshayat, there are three relationships, isn't it? One is with the body, one is with the... So he says, Karmakshayat is Karmaja, the relationship is destroyed. Karmakshayat means by the destruction of karma. Destruction of karma can be done in two ways.
That is why the dream — very often we refer to the dream — because in the dream you can go on beating your boss. So he is happy, you are happy, everybody is happy.
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What is that? If you are a spiritual practitioner, through the practise of Karma Yoga, Karmakshaya is done. But if you are liberated, of course, the whole karma will come, because when you have given up your identity with the body, there is no karma. There is no karma.
== Buddhi as the Reflecting Medium: The Birth of Ahaṃkāra and Antaḥkaraṇa ==
''Chāyāveśatā buddhi'' — ''buddhi'' is the reflecting medium. There is a material called ''buddhi''. And when this ''chāyā'' — the reflection of the ''cit'', meaning the reflection of consciousness — falls, when ''cit'' is reflected in that ''buddhi'', then two things happen. That ''buddhi'' transforms itself into two. One is called ''ahaṃkāra'', because that ''ahaṃkāra'' belongs to the ''cit''. What is ''cit''? "I am so and so." ''I am'' — but as far as ''I am'' is concerned, there is no bondage. But the moment you say, "I am ''so and so''," that "so and so" becomes the reflection and bondage.


Let us give an example. Suppose you have a car, and imagine this car had some defects, and you know that there are these defects, but you didn't have enough money, so you just repaired one or two, and somehow it is running, but you know there are so many defects which will come up in the future, which you have not rectified now. Imagine this kind of car is there.
So he is telling: when this ''cit'' reflects in that ''ghaṭa'' or reflecting medium called ''buddhi'', two things happen. One is called ''ahaṃkāra''. The other is called ''antaḥkaraṇa'' — what we call mind: ''manas'', ''buddhi'', ''citta'', ''ahaṃkāra''.


Now what happens, you know, already there are some things you have repaired, to that extent the car runs alright, but some defects which you know are there, you have not repaired, those defects, even when you are running the car, those defects are also running simultaneously. Something is cut, cut, I think. Then we become old, you know, cut, cut, I think.
Now, these four are divided into two. ''Ahaṃkāra'' is one, and the other three are there. Why is this division? Why is this division? Because even to say "my mind," there must be ''ahaṃkāra''. To say, "I remember" or "I do not remember" — ''ahaṃkāra'' should be there. "I know" and "I do not know" — ''ahaṃkāra'' is needed. That is why this ''antaḥkaraṇa'' is divided into two parts: ''ahaṃkāra'' is one part, and the rest is another part.
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You get up, cut, cut, I think. Start walking, cut, cut, I think. All these things happen.
== A Clarification on the Division of Antaḥkaraṇa ==
'''Mahārāj, quick question: Is this any different from how ''antaḥkaraṇa'' is usually defined — as ''manas'', ''buddhi'', ''citta'' and ''ahaṃkāra''?'''


So you see, the doors are creaking, and this one sometimes works, sometimes only half works. So that is prarabdha. So that prarabdha is there.
No, no. What he is trying to tell — and from your point of view also — is that ''ahaṃkāra'' is common to all the three. ''Ahaṃkāra'' means there must be somebody to know that "this is my ''buddhi'', this is my ''manas'', and this is my ''citta''." So even though the whole thing consists including the ''ahaṃkāra'', that ''ahaṃkāra'' has a special function. What is the function? The ''citta'' doesn't know "I am a ''citta''." The ''buddhi'' doesn't know "I am a ''buddhi''." The ''manas'' doesn't know "I am a ''manas''." So there must be this reflected consciousness which illumines and adds — to say, "I am the ''manas'', I am the ''buddhi'', and I am the ''citta''." It's almost like the "I" is the ''ahaṃkāra'', the truth, and these three are ''kṛṣṇa''.


And then, because you have not repaired, so this will develop some more future. If you don't, then the ball bearing will bear out, and then one day something will fall off. All these things will happen.
That is the point. That is the point really.


Imagine you have this car. Imagine one day, imagine that you have a neighbour, and you park the car in between both your houses. Imagine one night you sold the car to that neighbour.
So the most important point is: here is the world, here is the ''sākṣī'', and in between comes the so-called mind with the reflected consciousness. This is the first point we have to catch. The bondage and the liberation happen neither to the ''citti'' nor to the ''dṛśya'', but to this fellow which is in between — and it identifies itself both with the ''citti'' and also with the ''dṛśya''. The world itself has no consciousness. So I have to give and say, "This is a tree, this is a beautiful tree, this is an ugly tree, let me cut it off." All these things somebody else has to do.
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The car is still there. Before, if something happens to the car, you are affected. After you sell, you are sleeping, sound sleep, your neighbour is keeping himself awake.
== The Reflecting Medium Is Not Pre-Existing but Created Simultaneously ==
Now, there is something wonderful, because we are trying to understand ''Advaita Vedānta''. So all these are analogical procedures — examples. Here is the sun, here is the pot of water, and here is the reflection. Because we live in the dualistic world, we already presume these two: the reflecting pot. So the sun is there, and the sun falls into the water, and the reflecting medium comes.


So a jeevan mukta is like who sold his car, he has returned it to the original owner, now had enough of it, now you look after it, and he is happily enjoying it. Still the car is there. Imagine that your neighbour is good enough and say that for a few days you use it.
But what we have to understand here is that the reflecting medium itself is a modification of the ''cit-chāyā''. It is not that it is sitting there for the ''cit'' to be reflected. That itself is like an ice cream cup — a cone. Once I was travelling in an aeroplane. They gave me a cup of ice cream. "Why did they not supply me a spoon to eat this ice cream?" It took me some time to figure out: the cup itself is made up of the ice cream. But it is looking like a real cup! You have to eat the whole cup. If it is like a cone, immediately even I can understand — but it took me some time.
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Now you are happily running fast. I don't care, because whatever happens, it belongs to the other person who owns it. So now do you see what is the problem? So karmakshaya, either you disassociate yourself with it, even if you have that, or you get complete knowledge who you are, in either case it doesn't affect you.
== The Simultaneous Creation of World and Self Upon Waking ==
So, the reflection of ''citta'' itself creates simultaneously the reflecting medium and also the reflection. How do we know? This analogy: suppose it is dark. There is a pot of water — as though nothing existed. The moment the sun rises, what does it do? Not only does it reflect, but it also illumines the pot of the water. "Oh yes, here is a pot of water! Oh yes, there is a reflection in that pot of water!" Both are made possible only because of the reflection of the consciousness.


Other example you gave is like if the wheel is in motion and the axle comes out, it continues to roll. So because of the momentum it still continues. No, no, that is not the point we are discussing.
So here he is not telling it is created, but as though it is there. But who is creating it? It is the reflection only that is creating it. Don't you see? When you go to sleep — deep sleep — the whole world disappears. When you wake up, two things happen: there is a world, and there is you who recognises the world. Both simultaneously come into being as soon as you wake up. When you go to sleep, simultaneously both of them disappear.


The point is what is the relationship. The wheel is running, but this fellow previously he has relationship. Oh, my time is running out.
So in a sense you can say: who creates this world? I create the world — and I also create myself. I also create myself to recognise, "Yes, there is this world." So within us there are two, all the time.
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Now he has let it run out. It has nothing to do with me. So karmakshaya, once karmakshaya, or the karma comes to an end, the effect of karma also will come to an end.
== The Three Factors: Origin, Reflection, and Reflecting Medium ==
'''Mother, is it like this ego — ''taku'' says ripe ego and unripe ego?'''


And because of that the body connection, even if the body is there, the person doesn't say this is my body, he says there is a body. It doesn't make any difference to him. Then prabodhachya, by awakening.
No, no, no. Ripe ego and unripe ego both belong to the mind. And there is somebody else sitting there who knows: "I know both of you." Don't you know — you say, "Oh, I was a fool." When you make that statement, you are actually cognising two things: "Before, I was a fool; now I am a wise person." And then: "I am aware of your past, I am also aware of your present." Like this, that means there is the reflection, the original, and at the same time the reflection, and how that reflection is reacting — illuminating the whole mind — the whole thing as it were simultaneously going.


Here prabodha means not getting up from sleep, but by illumination, through acquisition of jnana, knowledge. Bhranti-jnana relationship comes to an end. How does the relationship... Previously you say I am small, you are big.
Here is the sun, here is the pot of water, and here is the reflection. How many things are there now? Three. That is why Ṭhākur's example is most wonderful. Ten pots are there — you break one — when the last pot is there, how many suns are there? One, two? No! When the last pot is there, three things are there. What are those three things? One pot, and two suns — reflected sun and original sun.


Now there is no two. There is only one. I am that.
So, always within us we are like this — that is the pot. Within us, this is the pot and there is a reflection, and someone who also knows that here is both the pot and the reflection. So we have all three within us: the one who is the "I", then the reflection, and also the reflecting medium. All three are there. But at different levels.


So there is no relationship at all. So when we say I am one, the smaller one becomes destroyed. The alone, that one alone remains.
No, no — there are only two levels. There are only two types of beings. One being says, "I am the original sun; here is the pot and reflection." The other one says, "I am the pot, reflecting, and there is original sun." So those who think "I am the pot" — they go to pot! Those realised souls say, "I am the Self; here is a body and mind." We say, "I am the body and mind, and there is a Self."
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That is why, purna purnam udajyate, purnasya purnam adhaya, purnameva savasisyate. You have attained knowledge. Therefore, bhranti-jnana goes through jnana.
== Verse Six: Summary ==
''Buddhi'' appears to possess luminosity on account of the reflection of consciousness in it. That is the reflection. As if this reflection is divided by this author into two — actually what is called the ''buddhi'' is the ''antaḥkaraṇa''. And that ''antaḥkaraṇa'' has got four parts: ''ahaṃkāra'', ''manas'', ''buddhi'', ''citta''. But ''ahaṃkāra'' is very special, because without that, everything else is there.


Through karmakshaya, it destroys the relationship with the body. What is the third relationship remaining now? What is that sahajam? Until the antahkarana is destroyed, its relationship will never come to an end. And that antahkarana will be destroyed when only with the dana, knowledge, I am no more an antahkarana.
When you are sleeping, your mind is there, your ''buddhi'' is there, your ''citta'' is there. But what happens without ''ahaṃkāra''? As if they were non-functional. That is the idea here.


So for that sadhana has to be done. And how the sadhana has to be done is going to tell us in the future. Here only we are concerned with how we can destroy the three types of relationships.
Now, why is he describing this? In these few ślokas, until we come to number thirteen, the birth of the ''antaḥkaraṇa'', the function and sustenance of the ''antaḥkaraṇa'', and how this ''antaḥkaraṇa'' can be brought to an end — because that is our goal. ''Sādhana'' is meant only to bring this ''antaḥkaraṇa'' to an end. And with the help of the ''antaḥkaraṇa'', so ''antaḥkaraṇa'' has to destroy itself. Then the problem of reflection — everything — will go away.
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So we talked about knowledge in two places, destroying bhranti and destroying the sahajam relationship. Is this the same knowledge that destroys podmaraj? The real knowledge destroys all three. All three.
== Next Verse: The Body Becomes Conscious Through Borrowing ==
''Tādātmya dehas cetanām agat'' ''Tādātmya dehas cetanām agat'' ''Tādātmya dehas cetanām agat''


So karmakshaya can be destroyed in two ways, that's why I said. One way, as a sadhaka, you still have the body, but you can say, if you are a bhakta, you say, this body belongs to God. In either case, it doesn't belong to me.
So, ''matam'' means the teaching or the opinion of whom? As they say ''matam'', it means somebody who knew about it. This is the teaching of somebody who knew the truth about this. So, what happens? This ''chāyā'' — here ''chāyā'' means ''cit-chāyā'', the reflection of consciousness — and ''ahaṃkāra'': these two become one. Not really one, but appear to be completely one, as if it becomes. The example is ''tapta āya piṇḍavat''. ''Āyaḥ'' means an iron ball. ''Tapta'' means, if it is put in the fire, it becomes — it glows red. Now it appears as though the iron ball has acquired the power of burning. Actually you don't see the fire separately; it has become one. This has become red, and it has all the characteristics of the fire. So it is so mixed up — one appears to be the iron ball appearing to be fire, fire appearing to be iron ball.
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If you are a karma yogi, you say, this body, I have no relationship with this body. Though you have not attained the final knowledge, this is called karma yoga. Some relationship is there, but it doesn't affect you that much.
== Light and Its Reflecting Medium — A Scientific Observation ==
It is an interesting fact. Have you seen fire without any medium? Have you seen light without a medium? This fact is so common and so interesting — and yet we miss it. See, there is so much of sunlight here. We just go above the stratosphere — pitch black. Was there no sunlight? What happened? There was no obstruction between the sun and that place. So, why is it pitch black? Because there is no reflecting medium there. Here, there are lots of dust particles and other things. Anything is enough to reflect. Since there is no object there, you don't see the light at all.


But karmakshaya will come to an end the moment you become a yogi, your future karma comes to an end. But your praradha karma, your sanchita and agami, both come to an end. Praradha karma, you just bear it as a tapasya.
What a wonderful fact it is. That means, what is the conclusion? The conclusion is: you can never see light — you can only infer light through the medium. But you say, "What are you talking about? We see light all over." You are not seeing light. You see only on the car. What is this light you see? It is the reflection of invisible particles there.
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So if you are bearing it, what is the difference then now? The difference is, previously you were thinking, I am the body. Now you are thinking, there is a body in which I am trapped, but I will try to put up with it as much as possible. So that way, until karmakshaya happens, you are out.
== Digression: Colour and the Brain's Concoction ==
I told you there is a wonderful programme a few days back on the BBC — BBC is producing lots of marvellous programmes.


Even though body is there, even though body is doing something, you don't feel you are doing it. So that way the effect becomes much much reduced. But the final effect, complete separation will come only when the knowledge is lost.
'''Mahārāj, is it accessible here?'''


So the point is, the word karmakshaya means destruction of karma. But here in this context, we can understand it in two ways. When knowledge comes, because you have no relationship with the karma, your karmakshaya is gone, like selling your car.
Yes, you can — this is what is called one country's broadcast. Unless they themselves franchise, others cannot watch it. But there is a way to overcome that. I think it is a VPN system or something like that. As far as I tried, but we couldn't get it to work. Once the ''iPlayer'' opens up, you can watch them — or the other way is through videos or YouTube; many things they are putting. So I will mention just two things.


In the other case also, because you are a yogi, let the karmakshaya is not gone, but your relationship, I am suffering or I am doing this, that comes to an end. That relationship comes to an end. Either the effect comes to an end, and your relationship is gone.
One beautiful programme is about seeing the stars. The other one is: "Do You See What I See?" — that means colours. There is no such thing called colour. Colour is a complete, complete misnomer.


Or the relationship is gone. You know, a crude example to give, suppose a person is married, and the marriage is not a very happy marriage, so it can end in two ways. If one of the partners dies, then the relationship comes to an end.
First of all, colour is a production of the brain — a concoction of the brain. And they have shown one experiment. So they have shown four squares. The upper two squares: one is complete green, another is complete red. And in between these two, they are completely like a window — two separate windows. In between these two windows there is a small circle — very small — for you to glare at. Down below there is one picture on both these panels: a desert. Sandy colour — both sides, both panels. In between also there is a small circle where you have to glare.


The other way is, the person divorces and goes away, then the relationship, still even though the partner is there, but because the relationship is gone, the associated suffering also becomes reduced to a great extent. So this is the indication. But finally if knowledge comes, all the three will go.
Now, having shown this, the first thing they say is: "Now go on glaring at that small circle in the upper one, where the left side is green and the right side is red, for a minute or so." Before doing that, you see: this is green, this is red, and both of the lower panels are completely the same sandy colour. Now you go on glaring at it for one minute. Having glared at it, you start glaring at this lower circle. Now what happens is: that sandy picture — the left side becomes greenish and the right side becomes reddish.


So now one relationship is there. What is that relationship? Sahaja. Sahaja is never going to come to an end.
And then the question — which is the original colour? That is one.


Both either, because the relationship, either both die or both live. If both live, because they cannot die separately, they are born together, and they also die together. So that is why he says, that is never going to happen.
Then the second experiment: they have kept a lot of pictures — eggs, books of different colours — and a plate full of bananas. Now the experimenter goes on changing the lights. As that light changes colour, all the objects are changing their colours. ''Excepting'' the banana. The banana colour is not changing. What does that show? Because the brain thinks the banana colour must be like this only. In spite of all the changing colours, it still sees the banana as it wants to see.


Look at it. sambandhino statah na asti Because this is sambandhinis, mutually related, the ego and the chitchaya. That's why he says, na asti, so long as they are, sataha means they are together, the relationship, nivrutti sahajasyatu.
'''I think it is the priming effect — something called the priming effect.'''


So because the relationship is sahaja, nivrutti na asti, there is no destroying this relationship. That means the antahkarna cannot stand aside from chitchaya. Otherwise how does it know that I am antahkarna? And if the chitchaya is not there, antahkarna doesn't know.
The point they wanted to make is: colour is purely a production of the brain — not something objectively there. It is the brain which is dictating what colour is there. And to prove this one, you can look at artists. If an artist is looking at this, he or she will look in a totally different way. Not only will red not change into green — he will see much subtler types of things. Yes, by practising.
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If the antahkarna is not there, where is chitchaya? If the reflecting medium is gone, the reflection also will go. If the reflection also goes away, the reflecting media will not be called reflecting media at all. Either they both come together, or they both go together.
== The Sun, Moon, and Mirror: Levels of Borrowed Consciousness ==
So, the ''buddhi'' gets what is called the nature of consciousness to say "I am ''buddhi''." Actually, that "I am" belongs to whom? Consciousness. So it is the ''sat'' and the ''cit'' and the ''ānanda'', all these three belong to the ''sākṣī'' — the pure consciousness.


Why is it like that if there is no student, the teacher will not be called a teacher? Yes, if there is no student, no person will be called a teacher. Even one student is enough to destroy the teacher. So far as that person is concerned, if that person goes to sleep, what happens to the teacher? There is no teacher.
So the pure consciousness, when its reflection falls, the first thing the ''buddhi'' says is "I am ''buddhi''." ''I am'' means "I exist as ''buddhi''" — ''sat''. "I know I am ''buddhi''" — ''cit''. "I am happy, I am unhappy" — ''ānanda''.


So far as that student is concerned, the others may think. So this is a beautiful relationship. That means what? So long as there is a mind, you cannot destroy the mind.
So in this context also, ''asti'', the whole experience of life is divided into five: ''asti'', ''bhāti'', ''priyam'', ''nāma'' and ''rūpa''. The first three belong to pure consciousness. The last two belong to the world. That is all. Added, so ''asti'' — ''bhāti'' — ''priyam'' plus ''nāma''-''rūpa'' is our life.


That's not possible. But you can try to destroy the other two. So if you destroy the other two, then this also will destroy, because it is original, that bhranti itself goes away.
''Asti'' means ''sat''. ''Bhāti'' means ''cit''. ''Priyam'' — everything is ''priyam''. So everything is ''priyam'' to God because it is only God. So everything is ''priyam'' for God.


All the three will go away. Maraj, are there any examples, Maraj, where we can possibly guess that this person has probably done with his karma, but he still has this agile relationship? There are so many examples out there. First example, each one of us are perfect examples of that for some hours every day.
'''So how do you explain that we don't like everything — we only like something, we dislike something?'''


In Sushupti, when you are in Sushupti, you are still alive, your body is alive, and your chitchaya is alive. Your chitchaya is alive, because what is it that thinks it is going into the deep sleep? It is not pure consciousness. It has nothing to do.
No, the idea is: everything is dear to ''something''. See, everything in this world is dear to something. You know there are toads — ugly toads. Who loves ugly toads? Miss Ugly Toad, when she comes out parading, Mr. Ugly Toad will be all gaga. How does he address her? "My beautiful! Honey, darlings!" So, everything is dear to something in this world because we are ''jīvas''. But everything is dear to God because he is none other than God — meaning everything is nothing but God. That is the understanding of ''priyam''.
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It is the chitchaya which moves on saying that I am in the waking state. Who is it that says I am in the waking state? Chitchaya. Who is it that says I am in the dream? Chitchaya.
== How the Body Becomes Conscious: From Cit to Mind to Body ==
So now you see: the ''ahaṃkāra'' has become one with the reflection of the pure consciousness and then became the representative, agent of consciousness. "I am conscious." Now this ''deha'' goes and identifies itself with this — the ''vicāra'' in the form of ''ahaṃkāra''. Just as that ''tapta-āyaḥ'' happened — this is glowing. Supposing another piece of wood, or another piece of metal, goes and embraces it — then what happens? That also starts to glow. Or one magnet — a piece attached to the magnet — then that piece becomes magnetised. Then another piece which goes and attaches to itself: that also becomes magnetised.


And who is it that says I am in deep sleep? Chitchaya. Because... Actually, Maraj, only after coming out of deep sleep we say that I had a good sleep, but when I am there I don't say I am. I don't know.
In that way, here the mind — the ''antaḥkaraṇa'' or the ''ahaṃkāra'' — is getting that: the ''ahaṃkāra'' itself, ''"I am,"'' is a reflection of the pure consciousness in the ''antaḥkaraṇa''. And this body or the ''antaḥkaraṇa'' goes and embraces the body. As soon as it embraces the body, the body comes to life and says, "Ah, I am smiling." This is how: from the pure consciousness to the mind, from the mind to the body.


You are talking foolishly. The moment you say I had a nice dinner, without eating dinner, could you ever say I had a nice dinner? No, no. Just answer me.
Now, this is what explains how the body really becomes a ''kartā''. "Body" means in this case your body is nothing but five ''jñānendriyas''. So these five ''jñānendriyas'' become ''kartā'' — ''dṛk''. That is the meaning of the body becoming conscious.


He presumes that. He presumes. I had a good dream.
'''Mahārāj, Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāj used to give that example that if the pen had consciousness, it would have thought that ''I'' wrote that novel, not knowing the author.'''


Yes, that means you were there, you enjoyed. Abhava. Abhava means there is no dvaita experience there, but you are there.
Yes. That is the point. The body thinks "I am conscious," not knowing it has borrowed this consciousness from the mind.
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That's why you say I did not know anything. To know I did not know anything. Somebody should be there.
== The Hierarchy of Borrowed Consciousness: A Wholesale Analogy ==
Why do we say — why can't we say — it borrowed its consciousness directly from the original? You see, that lending — Lehman Brothers or whatever — they lend to other banks and the other banks lend to other banks or customers or whatever. So, why can't the customers go directly to Lehman Brothers? No. Because they only deal with wholesale.


Because that is the memory you had and that memory came back as soon as I had a wonderful sleep. Who had that wonderful sleep? Who is telling I had a wonderful sleep? Chit is not telling. Chit doesn't even know that it is in the either waking state or dream state or dreamless state.
So the mind is the wholesaler. It borrows the consciousness from the pure consciousness, and that borrowed consciousness — it freely distributes, lends itself — because it lends with conditions and all those things. "You must serve my purpose." This is the process in your office. Your shareholders, they employ this fellow as though "you represent us." He is called Executive Director, and the Executive Director appoints somebody to assist him, and those assistants — subcontracting, subcontracting, subcontracting. So that is how this whole ''saṃsāra'' grows: subcontracting.


It is only chitchaya which is associated and tells as contrasted. Now let me put it this way because this needs a little bit of logic and thinking. Now, whenever we say I am so and so, simultaneously we are saying I am not the other things.
'''I think we are ready to get to how to break that link. Are you? Do you think?'''


But if you have to go on saying I am not this, I am not this, then you will never complete the sentence I am this. Like thousand and one Arabian Nights story. Remember? So, simply we say I am this.
Listen. Not so easy. We are ready to borrow some more.
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But meaning I am nothing else. So when we say in which state are you if you are asked are you in the waking state? No. Are you in the dream state? No.
== The Sun-Moon-Mirror Analogy: Three Levels of Reflection ==
So this is the process described. The ''indriyas'' borrow from the mind. The mind borrows from the ''cit-chāyā'' — not from the original. You see, the mirror — it borrows its power of illuminating the room from where? You see, the moment that sun goes down or the original light goes off — it is like a moon. You see, here is sunlight, here is the moon, and here is a mirror. So at night, the moonlight is falling on the mirror, and the mirror is illuminating the room and says, "Oh mirror, what a great thing you are!"


So, do you see, do you understand what I am pointing out? You are presuming I was not in the waking state, I was not in the dream state. That's why you are saying I am in another state which is related to these states. Otherwise, what other state is there? You must be jivanmuktan.
If it is a bound soul, it says, "Yes, yes, don't forget me — I am giving you light." If it is an enlightened one, it says, "No, no, I am sorry. I am only a reflective medium. I don't know anything. You ask the moon." Again, if the moon is a ''baddha-jīva'', it says, "Yes, I am lending you." But if it is an enlightened soul, it says, "No, I am also borrowing from somebody else." Then you go to the sun, and you don't need to ask — because you know it is self-revealing.


You are not in that state because you are coming to these two other states. That is why when we say something, knowledge, I know this, that always presumes I do not know the other thing. That itself limits.
So the sun lends to the moon, the moon lends to the mirror. What is the analogy here? The sun is the pure consciousness; the moon is the mind; the moonlight reflects in the mirror; this body is comparable to that mirror. It appears as though the mirror is giving its own light. So it illuminates the room. The room is the ''prapañca''. The reflected reflection in the moon is the ''deha''. It is borrowing from the mind. The moon is the mind, and the mind is borrowing from the pure consciousness.


I do not know the other thing means I know something. I know something and I don't know the other thing. If you know everything of even one, you know everything of everything.
'''You mean the ''cit-chāyā'' was the mind?'''


Then you become free. Differentiation will vanish. So, is that point clear? Yes.
''Cit-chāyā'' is in the mind. Mind is not ''cit''. Mind is because — why is this necessary? If the original consciousness is never bound, it is only the limitedness of the mind which makes the consciousness ''seem'' to be limited. Reflecting means ''seem'' to be limited. So when we are longing for liberation, it is the mind which gets the liberation. What is it that gets liberation? The ''cit-chāyā'' is released from the mind by the breaking up of the mind — because the pure consciousness is never ever bound. When it is not bound, how do you say it is liberated? So all the liberation and bondage belong only to the reflection and never to the original thing. Otherwise your whole ''Advaita Vedānta'' will burst like a dam.
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So, first deep sleep state, we are alive but we are completely, we disassociate. But that dissociation doesn't come from our conscious effort. In fact, it comes from our unconsciousness.
== The Analogy of Pots in the Lake ==
You see the point. So this is a beautiful analogy — the sun. If the moon's moonlight is small, moonlight is big — that means sunlight is small, sunlight is big? The light is never small or big. It is only the mind grows small, the mind grows big, and accordingly it reflects more or less of light.


Because if you consciously want to go to sleep, it is never possible. So many other things. In fact, we are all jivanmuktas in the sense that if I am suffering, you don't suffer.
So the original thing — there is no question. It is only the ''cit-chāyā'' which, because the reflecting medium is broken, it appears as though that which is bound is gone.


You are a jivanmukta so far as I am concerned, so far as the whole universe is concerned. 99.999999% you are jivanmukta only. Only little bit, I am Kiran, that is the only problem.
These are given in so many ways. In a lake you immerse five or six pots — imagine they are different coloured pots. We want water from the third tumbler, number fourth tumbler. But what is inside is exactly the same. It appears as though the water inside and the water outside — this inside and outside is because of what? Because of the limiting agent, we are forced to classify the water also into two types: inside water and outside water. The moment you break the pot, it appears as though the inside water has rushed out and merged in the outside water. Yet, what rushed out? What rushed in? What rushed in was the tumbler. What rushed out is the tumbler. But because we don't see the water, it appears as though water is rushing in and water is rushing out. So what is rushing in and rushing out is only the tumbler.
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You see now? This is, you think over because it is not so easy to understand. Though we are seeing, we never know what is happening to the other. We are still alive.
== Verse Eight: The Three Relationships of Ahaṃkāra ==
''Ahaṃkārasya tādātmye picchayādehaSākṣibhiḥ'' ''Sahajaṃ karmajaṃ bhrānti-janyaṃ ca trividhaṃ kramāt''


So that is an indication, how now a jivanmukta will feel, he feels exactly as we feel with regard to others. He is witnessing everything. Like Vaman Maharshi is one example, you know, this part has to be cut off.
This is the most interesting verse so far. What is it? The original consciousness is there, then this ''antaḥkaraṇa'' is there, then the body is there. The original consciousness is also consciousness — light. The ''ahaṃkāra'' also is the reflected light, and the body also appears to be light. In between — original one here and body here — the ''antaḥkaraṇa'' is there. All these three are, we become conscious of, because of that ''cit-chāyā''. And that ''cit-chāyā'' manifests in the form of ''ahaṃkāra''.


So the doctor wanted to administer an anaesthesia. But he refused and said, just go ahead. So the doctor was surprised.
Now that ''ahaṃkāra'' has got these three things. What are those three things? One is the original consciousness, another is the ''cit-chāyā'', and another is the body. So what is the relationship of ''ahaṃkāra'' with the body? What is its relationship with the ''antaḥkaraṇa'' — which is ''cit-chāyā''? What is the relationship between the reflection and the reflecting medium? What is the relationship between the reflection and the original? And: the reflection itself is a body — what is its relationship with its own body nature?


He went ahead. He was looking as though somebody else's hand is being operated upon. Turiyananda.
In other words, ''ahaṃkāra'' has to deal with these three. ''Ahaṃkāra'' with body, ''ahaṃkāra'' with the mind, and ''ahaṃkāra'' with the pure consciousness. What a beautiful analysis he is bringing! You don't hear of this anywhere.


Same thing he did. So this is what happens. Even how much we are affected also depends upon our mind.
It is necessary to find out what is the relationship — because if you don't know what connects you, you will not know how to disconnect.
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I will give you an example. Even though we don't think of these examples, but they are marvellous examples. Suppose you see somebody's house is burning.
== The Three Types of Relationships: Sahajam, Karmajam, Bhrānti-janyam ==
''Ahaṃkārasya tādātmya'' — ''tādātmya'' means ''tapta-āyaḥ-piṇḍavat'' — with the body. That is why the body says, "I am the body." That means there are two: the body is there, the ''ahaṃkāra'' is there — then only "I am the body."


Somebody is there inside that burning house. Maybe a child, children or somebody. You feel very bad.
'''1. Karmajam — the relationship with the body'''


But you won't dare to go there because it is just dhavagni. But supposing it happens to your house and let us say Nivedita is trapped inside. Let us imagine you love her.
The ''ahaṃkāra'' with this body is purely ''karmajam''. Meaning what? The karma shapes the body, and the ''ahaṃkāra'' reflects itself. "I am small, I am big, I am intelligent, I passed, I failed. I am old, I am young, I am enlightened." All those things — it is totally dependent upon karma. Why is it? Because the karma alters this relationship all the time.


Then you say, you don't hesitate to plunge into the house. What is the point of my example? It is very important. It is the same fire.
You see: "I am a baby." Then the baby grows up: "Oh, I am a grown-up." Suppose a person failed: "I failed." The person works hard — karma — and then he passes: "I passed." See, everything depends upon karma. How to get rid of it? ''Karma Yoga''. A ''karma yogi'' is one who has no relationship with karma. The moment there is no relationship with karma, the relationship with the body is also totally destroyed. Okay, that is why it is called ''karmajam''.


It will burn equally everybody. But because of your state of the mind that this is the person whom I love, your child or whatever it is, especially parents, they will not hesitate. Recently it happened.
'''2. Sahajam — the natural relationship with Cit-Chāyā'''


I will tell you that. You will plunge into it. Now when you plunge into the fire, it is still burning equally.
''Sahajam'' means: its origin itself is dependent upon the ''antaḥkaraṇa''. Therefore, until the ''antaḥkaraṇa'' is destroyed, this natural relationship you can't alter by work or any such thing. It is not possible. Because without ''cit-chāyā'', the ''ahaṃkāra'' itself will not be there. ''Ahaṃkāra'' itself is the result of ''cit-chāyā''. The reflecting medium and the reflection — they go together. Their relationship is natural and eternal.


It will burn everyone equally. But your feeling at that time of that fire is nothing compared to if you have to put your hand even on a burning candle, it is totally different. So that shows how much the mind can affect the way we feel it.
'''3. Bhrānti-janyam — the illusory relationship with Pure Consciousness'''


Now recently what happened? Our Vinu, his daughter-in-law had gone on what is called Kailash Manasaro trip. So it is a package trip. So in that trip, one mother and one young boy, they were also there.
What is the relationship of reflection with the original? It is ''bhrānti''. What is ''bhrānti''? There is no relationship at all. This is living, this is dead. This is eternal, this is temporary.


So somewhere narrow in something, the mule on which the young boy was riding, it slipped. And it was going down. The mother who was just behind it wanted to rescue the son.
What is this reflected ''ahaṃkāra'' saying now? "I am puny. I am born. I am growing. I am going to be dead." But the ''cit'' itself will never say, "I am born and I am going to be dead." Therefore, completely diametrically opposite characteristics. Therefore, ''bhrānti-janyam'' means: the ''ahaṃkāra'' is born out of ''bhrānti''. How can there be a relationship? There is no relationship. So if there is no relationship, but there seems to be a relationship — which is called ''bhrānti'' — when does the ''bhrānti'' get out?


So she also wanted to do like this. Of course she could not do it. Both of them, the donkey, the mule also dead, the boy also dead in front of everybody's eyes and the mother also dead.
See, you are seeing a snake. Your relationship with the rope is purely ''bhrānti''. You are seeing nothing but the rope, but you are imagining it is a snake. So it is creating a problem. What is the way out? Bring light. Then the snake disappears. So the opposite of ''bhrānti'' is ''jñānam''. The opposite of ''ajñānam'' is ''jñānam''. When ''jñānam'' comes, not only that will disappear — ''jñānam'' is the final destruction for all three types of relationships. That is what he wants to say.
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Mother dead? She fell because she wanted to rescue. That was not possible. Because you know, it is impossible.
== Verse Nine: How to Destroy the Three Relationships ==
''Sambandhe naṣṭayor nāsti nivṛtti sahajasyāto'' ''Karmakṣayāt praboddhāchya nivṛtte te kramādube'' ''Nivṛtte te kramādube''


She wanted to do it, but she couldn't do it. In her idea possessed, I have to save my son. And then all the three died.
Now he is telling how we can get out of these three types of relationships. ''Mukti'' means getting out of relationship. Relationship is possible only when there is a duality — there must be a minimum of two. That is why it is called ''dvaita''. So ''advaita'' — no relationship. ''Dvaita'' — always relationship will be there.


The thing is, she had sacrificed her life in a way of speaking for her son. If it is other people, they won't do it. Same thing happened to Swami Vivekananda's father when he was a child.
All relationships fall into three categories. So one important point for us to remember: all these three relationships are completely ''bhrānti-jñāna'' only. Why? Just as in your dream — when you go into your dream, how many of you are there in the dream? Two.


Vishwanath Dutta's father. No, Vishwanath Dutta. He was on a boat.
One is the witness — because when you wake up, "I saw myself as a small girl taking the school books and walking, and a dog came walking." An incident that happened 30 years back comes rushing into your mind. Three things. What are those three things? The first thing is the original you, witnessing the whole dream — that is how you remember. The character in your dream doesn't remember the dream. It is you, your original you, who remembers what happened in the dream. Then your creation of yourself in the dream. And then your creation of everything else in the dream.


They were going on a boat. Then he slipped. The child slipped.
So it is: your creation of yourself — "Oh, this person likes me, that person doesn't like me, this dog is barking at me" etc. — all is dependent upon that one. Even if you see a hundred people, that hundred totally depend upon that reflected you, created by you in the dream. And you, the created one, and how you are relating and reacting — that is being recorded simultaneously by the original you who created that dream.
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And then the mother, immediately she jumped after the son. But fortunately she was able to catch the child and also the other passengers. They caught hold of her and then pulled him to the boat.
== Destroying the Karmaja Relationship: Karmakṣaya ==
So now, with that understanding, let us go. The second sentence — ''karmakṣayāt'' — the ''karmaja'' relationship is destroyed. ''Karmakṣayāt'' means by the destruction of karma. Destruction of karma can be done in two ways.


Otherwise, very fortunate event. Otherwise, we would not have had Swami Vivekananda. Then we would not have had this class today.
If you are a spiritual practitioner, through the practice of ''karma yoga'', ''karmakṣaya'' is done. But if you are liberated, of course, the whole karma will come to an end — because when you have given up your identity with the body, there is no karma. There is no karma.


You are thinking, why did it not happen? You know the difference between tragedy and disaster? You know? There was in England, there were two arch enemies. One was Disrael, who became the Prime Minister. And another one, I don't remember his name, very famous name.
Let us give an example. Suppose you have a car, and imagine this car had some defects. You know the defects are there, but you didn't have enough money, so you just repaired one or two, and somehow it is running — but you know there are so many defects which will come up in the future which you have not rectified now. Imagine this kind of car.


They were very rivals. For everything they would quarrel, tooth and nail. So, one day in the parliament, this discussion came.
Now, already there are some things you have repaired — to that extent the car runs alright — but some defects which you know are there but have not repaired: those defects, even when you are running the car, those defects are also running simultaneously. Start walking — ''kaṭ, kaṭ, kaṭ, khaṭ''. All these things happen. So you see: the doors are creaking, and this one sometimes works, sometimes only half works. So that is ''prārabdha''. So that ''prārabdha'' is there. And then, because you have not repaired, this will develop some more future ''karma''. If you don't, then the ball bearing will wear out, and then one day something will fall off. All these things will happen.


What is the precise difference between tragedy and disaster? So, Disrael immediately, he took the dig. He wanted to pull down. He said, you know, supposing you are walking on the bank of a river and you don't know how to swim and you slip, and you are about to drown.
Imagine you have this car — imagine one day you have a neighbour and you park the car in between both your houses. Imagine one night you sold the car to that neighbour. The car is still there. Before, if something happens to the car, you are affected. After you sell, you are sleeping — sound sleep — your neighbour is keeping himself awake. So a ''jīvan-mukta'' is like one who has sold his car. He has returned it to the original owner: "Now had enough of it, now you look after it." And he is happily enjoying it. Still the car is there. Imagine that your neighbour is good enough to say, "For a few days you use it." Now you are happily running fast — "I don't care, because whatever happens, it belongs to the other person who owns it."


That is real tragedy. But if someone were to rescue you, it's a disaster. Oh my God! This is wonderful.
So now, do you see what is the problem? ''Karmakṣaya'' — either you disassociate yourself with it, even if you have that body, or you get complete knowledge of who you are. In either case it doesn't affect you.
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Nobody thought of it. Excellent. Okay.
== Destroying the Bhrānti-janya Relationship: Prabodha ==
Then ''prabodha'' — by awakening. Here ''prabodha'' means not getting up from sleep, but by illumination — through acquisition of ''jñāna'', knowledge. The ''bhrānti-jñāna'' relationship comes to an end. How does the relationship — previously you say "I am small, you are big" — now there is no two. There is only one: "I am That." So there is no relationship at all.


What is the time now? 12.31? What shall we do? Up to you, Maharaj. Let us do one. No, let us do... This is easier.
So when we say "I am one," the smaller one becomes destroyed. The alone — that one alone remains. That is why: ''pūrṇaṃ pūrṇam udacyate, pūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya, pūrṇam eva avaśiṣyate''. You have attained knowledge. Therefore, ''bhrānti-jñāna'' goes through ''jñāna''. Through ''karmakṣaya'', it destroys the relationship with the body.


So, the tenth one. Now, he is clearing some important points. If there is no ahankara, then the body also becomes achetana, unconscious.
'''What is the third relationship remaining now?'''


If the ahankara is not there, then it becomes achetana. How does it know? One question. In Sushupti, what happens to chitchaya? It's there, right? It is there.
What is that ''sahajam''? Until the ''antaḥkaraṇa'' is destroyed, its relationship will never come to an end. And that ''antaḥkaraṇa'' will be destroyed only with the ''jñāna'': "I am no more an ''antaḥkaraṇa''." So for that, ''sādhana'' has to be done.
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That's the only way to check. That is going to be answered here. So, ahankara laye suktau.
== Final Knowledge Destroys All Three ==
'''We talked about knowledge in two places — destroying ''bhrānti'' and destroying the ''sahaja'' relationship. Is this the same knowledge that destroys both?'''


When in deep sleep, this ahankara becomes merged in the deep sleep, then what happens? bhavet dehaha api achetana dehaha achetana The deha becomes achetana. Achetana means what? It appears to be alive for others, but it itself is completely achetana. Achetana means what? To feel, I am.
The real knowledge destroys all three. All three. So ''karmakṣaya'' can be destroyed in two ways — that is why I said. One way: as a ''sādhaka'', you still have the body, but you can say — if you are a ''bhakta'', "This body belongs to God; in either case it doesn't belong to me." If you are a ''karma yogi'', you say, "This body — I have no relationship with this body." Though you have not attained the final knowledge, this is called ''karma yoga''. Some relationship is there, but it doesn't affect you that much. But ''karmakṣaya'' will come to an end the moment you become a ''yogī''; your future karma comes to an end. But your ''sañcita'' and ''āgāmi'', both come to an end. ''Prārabdha'' karma you just bear as a ''tapasyā''.


I can do this. I want to do this. All those functions.
So if you are bearing it, what is the difference now? The difference is: previously you were thinking, "I am the body." Now you are thinking: "There is a body in which I am trapped, but I will try to put up with it as much as possible." So that way, until ''karmakṣaya'' happens, you are out. Even though body is there, even though body is doing something, you don't feel you are doing it. So the effect becomes much, much reduced. But the final, complete separation will come only when the knowledge arrives.


It just becomes a kind of machine. You know, like a chicken. After you cut off its head, it still flaps.
So the word ''karmakṣaya'' means destruction of karma. But here in this context we can understand it in two ways. When knowledge comes, because you have no relationship with karma, your ''karmakṣaya'' is gone — like selling your car. In the other case also, because you are a ''yogī'', the ''karmakṣaya'' is not gone, but your relationship — "I am suffering" or "I am doing this" — comes to an end. Either the effect comes to an end and your relationship is gone, or the relationship is gone.


That has nothing to do. It is not suffering. It is dead.
You know, a crude example to give: suppose a person is married, and the marriage is not very happy. It can end in two ways. If one of the partners dies, then the relationship comes to an end. The other way: the person divorces and goes away — then the relationship, even though the partner is there, because the relationship is gone, the associated suffering becomes reduced to a great extent.
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It is only the remaining, what is it called? You know, motor, muscular reaction. Automatic muscular. You feel very bad.
== The Sahaja Relationship: Cannot End While Both Exist ==
So now one relationship is there — what is that relationship? ''Sahaja''. ''Sahaja'' is never going to come to an end — both either die or both live. If both live, because they cannot die separately — they are born together, and they also die together. So that is why he says that is never going to happen.


Oh, it is still suffering. Its soul is gone long back. But it is an automatic reaction.
''Sambandhinoḥ stataḥ nāsti'' — because this is ''sambandhinoḥ'', mutually related — the ego and the ''cit-chāyā'' — that is why he says ''nāsti'': so long as they are, ''stataḥ'' means they are together. ''Nivṛtti sahajasyātu'' — so because the relationship is ''sahaja'', ''nivṛtti nāsti'' — there is no destroying this relationship. That means the ''antaḥkaraṇa'' cannot stand aside from ''cit-chāyā''. Otherwise, how does it know that "I am ''antaḥkaraṇa''"? And if the ''cit-chāyā'' is not there, the ''antaḥkaraṇa'' doesn't know. If the ''antaḥkaraṇa'' is not there, where is ''cit-chāyā''? If the reflecting medium is gone, the reflection also will go. If the reflection also goes away, the reflecting medium will not be called a reflecting medium at all. Either they both come together, or they both go together.


Automated reaction. It goes on for a long time. Even a snake, cut off its head, it goes on moving for a long time.
Why is it like that? If there is no student, the teacher will not be called a teacher. If there is no student, no person will be called a teacher. Even one student is enough — so far as that person is concerned, if that person goes to sleep, what happens to the teacher? There is no teacher. So far as that student is concerned, the others may think. So this is a beautiful relationship.


Long time. Anyway, the point is, in deep sleep, when ahankara is not functioning, this body itself appears to be achetana. That is a proof, that without ahankara, the body cannot be conscious.
That means what? So long as there is a mind, you cannot destroy the mind — that is not possible. But you can try to destroy the other two. And if you destroy the other two, then this also will be destroyed, because the ''bhrānti'' itself goes away. All three will go away.
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Ahankara, vikasartha, swapnaha. When the ahankara is half functioning, that is called swapna avastha. When ahankara is fully functional, then that is called jagra avastha.
== Verse Ten: The Three States — Jāgrat, Svapna, Suṣupti ==
'''Mahārāj, are there any examples where we can possibly guess that this person has probably done with his karma, but he still has this ''sahaja'' relationship?'''


So he is now describing, how this ahankara functions in the three states of jagra, swapna, and sushukti. When it is in sushukti, this whole body becomes achetana. And by extension, the whole jagrat prapancha becomes... Disappears.
There are so many examples. First example: each one of us are perfect examples of that for some hours every day. In ''suṣupti'' — when you are in ''suṣupti'', you are still alive, your body is alive, and your ''cit-chāyā'' is alive. Your ''cit-chāyā'' is alive, because what is it that thinks it is going into deep sleep? It is not pure consciousness — it has nothing to do with that. It is the ''cit-chāyā'' which moves on, saying, "I am in the waking state." Who is it that says "I am in the waking state"? ''Cit-chāyā''. Who is it that says "I am in the dream"? ''Cit-chāyā''. And who is it that says "I am in deep sleep"? ''Cit-chāyā''.


Disappears. So when the ahankara is half awake, two things happen. The external jagrat avastha is completely gone, but there is half... ahankara is working.
'''Actually, Mahārāj, only after coming out of deep sleep we say that I had a good sleep, but when I am there I don't say I am. I don't know.'''


Then the vasanas that are gathered in the waking state, with that material, you go on creating lots of imagery. That is called the state of swapna avastha. And when the ahankara is 100% manifest, then it is called jagrat avastha.
You are talking foolishly! The moment you say "I had a nice dinner" — without eating dinner, could you ever say "I had a nice dinner"? No. Just answer me.


That is why sadhana cannot be done either in swapna avastha or in sushukti avastha. It can be done only in purna ahankara. Purna ahanta here is not our jagrat avastha.
'''He presumes. ''Abhāva'' — there is no ''dvaita'' experience there, but you are there.'''


Here purna ahanta means Brahman's complete I am state. That was the state of... Sri Ramakrishna. Sri Ramakrishna.
That is why you say "I did not know anything." To know "I did not know anything," somebody should be there. Because that is the memory you had — and that memory came back as "I had wonderful sleep." Who had that wonderful sleep? ''Cit'' is not telling. ''Cit'' doesn't even know that it is in either waking or dream or dreamless state. It is only ''cit-chāyā'' which is associated and tells — as contrasted.
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That was what it meant. Sadhara means what? Sadha, always. No, no.
== The Logic of Negation and the Three States ==
Now let me put it this way, because this needs a little bit of logic and thinking. Now, whenever we say "I am so and so," simultaneously we are saying "I am not the other things." But if you have to go on saying "I am not this, I am not this," then you will never complete the sentence "I am this" — like the ''Thousand and One Arabian Nights'' story. So simply we say "I am this," but meaning "I am nothing else."


Sadhara means small rope. Even though he had a wife. He is like a sadashiva himself.
So when we say, "In which state are you?" — "Are you in the waking state? No. Are you in the dream state? No." Do you see — do you understand what I am pointing out? You are presuming: "I was not in the waking state, I was not in the dream state." That is why you are saying "I am in another state which is related to these states." Otherwise, what other state is there? You must be a ''jīvan-mukta''. You are not in that state because you are coming to these two other states.


It means even the dara has not changed his mind. That is sadashivaswarupa. That is why even though Parvati is embracing him half the body, he is still the greatest yogi.
That is why when we say something — "I know this" — that always presumes "I do not know the other thing." That itself limits. "I do not know the other thing" means "I know something." I know something and I don't know the other thing. If you know everything of even one, you know everything of everything. Then you become free. Differentiation will vanish.
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When the ahankara is fully functional, then it is called jagrat avastha. When it is half functional, it is called swapna avastha. When it is not functional, it is called sushupti avastha.
== Deep Sleep: Suṣupti as an Illustration of the Sahaja Relationship ==
So, deep sleep — we are alive but we completely disassociate. But that dissociation doesn't come from our conscious effort. In fact it comes from our unconsciousness — because if you consciously want to go to sleep, it is never possible.


Now your question is what happens in sushupti? This is the answer. What is the answer? It is there, but it is not manifest. Because just imagine if the ichchaya is to be withdrawn, then what happens? One thing happens.
In fact, we are all ''jīvan-muktas'' in the sense that if I am suffering, you don't suffer. You are a ''jīvan-mukta'' so far as I am concerned, so far as the whole universe is concerned. 99.999999% — you are ''jīvan-mukta'' only. Only a little bit — "I am Kiran" — that is the only problem!
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Ahankara itself, ichchaya and ahankara both are connected. If ichchaya goes, ahankara also goes. If ahankara goes, who experiences jagrat, swapna and sushupti? No one.
== Verse Ten: The Body Becomes Achetana Without Ahaṃkāra ==
''Ahaṃkāra-laye suṣuptau'' ''bhavet dehaḥ api acetanaḥ''


There is nobody. So it is there, but it is not manifest. How is it not functional? Now when we say it is not functional, you have to understand again clearly that when you say you are not functional, you are associating.
So, ''ahaṃkāra-laye suṣuptau'' — when in deep sleep, this ''ahaṃkāra'' becomes merged. Then what happens? ''Dehaḥ api acetanaḥ'' — the ''deha'' becomes ''acetana''. ''Acetana'' means what? It appears to be alive for others, but it itself is completely ''acetana''. ''Acetana'' means: to feel "I am," "I can do this," "I want to do this" — all those functions cease. It just becomes a kind of machine.


No, no, you are not working. You are not manifesting your power. No, that is not the way we have to understand.
You know, like a chicken: after you cut off its head, it still flaps. That has nothing to do. It is not suffering — it is dead. It is only the remaining motor, muscular reaction — automated reaction. It goes on for a long time. Even a snake — cut off its head — it goes on moving for a long time.


Reflecting media is not there. Reflecting media is not there. You know, just imagine I am sitting here.
Anyway, the point is: in deep sleep, when ''ahaṃkāra'' is not functioning, the body itself appears to be ''acetana''. That is a proof: without ''ahaṃkāra'', the body cannot be conscious.
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Imagine you put on a mask, completely black, then what do I see? I don't see anything. So then you just put two slits. Then I see a little bit.
== Ahaṃkāra in the Three States ==
''Ahaṃkāra vikāsārtha svapnaḥ'' — when the ''ahaṃkāra'' is half functioning, that is called ''svapna avasthā''. When ''ahaṃkāra'' is fully functional, then that is called ''jāgrat avasthā''. So he is now describing how this ''ahaṃkāra'' functions in the three states of ''jāgrat'', ''svapna'', and ''suṣupti''.


Then you take off the mask completely. Then I see completely. So in this sense I am saying I don't see anything.
When it is in ''suṣupti'', the whole body becomes ''acetana'' — and by extension, the whole ''jāgrat prapañca'' disappears. When the ''ahaṃkāra'' is half awake, two things happen: the external ''jāgrat avasthā'' is completely gone, but ''ahaṃkāra'' is half working. Then the ''vāsanās'' gathered in the waking state — with that material, you go on creating lots of imagery. That is called the state of ''svapna avasthā''. And when the ''ahaṃkāra'' is 100% manifest, then it is called ''jāgrat avasthā''.


I see a little. I see everything. It is not me who is not able to see.
That is why ''sādhana'' cannot be done either in ''svapna avasthā'' or in ''suṣupti avasthā''. It can be done only in ''pūrṇa ahaṃkāra''. ''Pūrṇa ahaṃtā'' here is not our ''jāgrat avasthā'' — ''pūrṇa ahaṃtā'' means Brahman's complete "I am" state. That was the state of Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa.
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I am able to see completely, but it is this limitation imposed upon me which is making me feel I don't see, I see a little. Even though I am using those words, I am capable of seeing everything, but not able to see because of this limitation. That is a point which we have to understand clearly.
== The Mask Analogy: Degrees of Manifestation of Cit-Chāyā ==
'''Now your question is: what happens in ''suṣupti''? It is there, but it is not manifest.'''


So the Chit Chaya is completely functional because the light of consciousness can never become unconscious. But if you say it is completely unconscious, that means a mask is put over it. If it is able to function half, that means a smaller mask where half it can function, half it cannot function.
Now when we say "it is not functional," you have to understand again clearly — when you say "you are not working," you are not manifesting your power. Reflecting medium is not there.


If it is able to see, function completely, that means there is no mask at all. That is the way we have to understand it. Pure consciousness can never be made unconscious.
You know, just imagine I am sitting here. Imagine you put on a mask — completely black — then what do I see? I don't see anything. Then you just put two slits: then I see a little bit. Then you take off the mask completely: then I see completely. So in this sense I am saying "I don't see anything," "I see a little," "I see everything."


That is why Thakur chides Sivanath Shastri. He says, I am I who think of God who is full consciousness and I become unconscious, and you fellows who think of the world, you are fully conscious. There is a lot of meaning in what he says.
It is not me who is not able to see — I am able to see completely — but it is this limitation imposed upon me which is making me feel "I don't see" or "I see a little." Even though I am using those words, I am capable of seeing everything, but not able to see because of this limitation. That is the point.


So Chit Chaya, that is why the earlier connections we have to remember. What is the connection? Sahajam, Karmajam and Pranthijam. So until knowledge dawns, these relationships will never be destroyed.
So the ''cit-chāyā'' is completely functional — because the light of consciousness can never become unconscious. But if you say it is completely unconscious, that means a mask is put over it. If it is able to function half, that means a smaller mask where half it can function, half it cannot. If it is able to function completely, that means there is no mask at all. That is the way we have to understand it. Pure consciousness can never be made unconscious.


So what does that mean? That means what is Chit Chaya? It is a reflection of the consciousness. Reflection is not, the Chit is not becoming small. It is because of the reflecting medium.
That is why Ṭhākur chides Sivānāth Śāstrī. He says, "I am he who thinks of God who is full consciousness and I become unconscious, and you fellows who think of the world — you are fully conscious." There is a lot of meaning in what he says.
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So remove the reflecting medium. Reflecting mediums are these two types, body and mind. Remove these mediums, then the Chit Chaya also goes away with that.
== Conclusion: Knowledge Is the Destroyer of All Three Relationships ==
So, ''cit-chāyā'' — that is why the earlier connections we have to remember. What is the connection? ''Sahajam'', ''karmajam'' and ''bhrānti-janyam''. So until knowledge dawns, these relationships will never be destroyed.


Then the person is completely free. So deep sleep is not removing because there is a subtle vritti is there. That subtle vritti is called Karana vritti.
So what does that mean? What is ''cit-chāyā''? It is a reflection of the consciousness. The reflection is not — the ''cit'' is not becoming small. It is because of the reflecting medium. So remove the reflecting medium. Reflecting mediums are these two types: body and mind. Remove these mediums — then the ''cit-chāyā'' also goes away with that. Then the person is completely free.


Mind is not absent in deep sleep. But mind is in a very very subtle state. It is that which is carried to the waking state and you remember it, I had good sleep, I did not know anything.
Deep sleep is not removing the relationship, because there is a subtle ''vṛtti'' there. That subtle ''vṛtti'' is called ''kāraṇa-vṛtti''. The mind is not absent in deep sleep. Mind is in a very, very subtle state. It is that which is carried to the waking state and you remember it: "I had good sleep, I did not know anything."
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Discourse on Dṛg-Dṛśya-Viveka: Consciousness, Reflection, and the Nature of the Antaḥkaraṇa


Opening Invocation

ॐ सह नाववतु ।

सह नौ भुनक्तु ।

सह वीर्यं करवावहै ।

तेजस्वि नावधीतमस्तु मा विद्विषावहै ।

ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः ॥ हरि ॐ

OM SAHANAVAVATO SAHANAV BHUNAKTO SAHAVIRYAM KARAVAVAHAI TEJASVINAVADHITAMASTUMA VIDVISHAVAHAI OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTIHI HARIHI OM


Recap: The Nature of Pure Consciousness

So, the last śloka we had discussed was this: consciousness — pure consciousness — doesn't rise, doesn't set, doesn't change, doesn't become big, doesn't become small. Why is it so?

Supposing you ask a question: "When was this baby born?" You are presuming there was something before the baby was born — there was some time. "This time he was born only two years back" means you know what was two years before. If you also say, "When did this person die?" or "When is this person going to die?" — either way, you are going to look forward, so after death there is also a time when it is going to be there.

Now, what is the point? The point is there must be a consciousness which was aware before the birth of something and the disappearance of things. Without consciousness, how will you know that this was not born before? If you are not conscious of that, then you will never know that there was a past. If there was no past, you will never ask the question "When was this born?" — "When did this come to be?" You can never ask, because you don't even know.


The Necessity of Awareness of the Past

So just imagine that somebody has an appointment. Supposing there is an appointment, and what happens is — I had that experience — somebody wanted to see me and I totally forgot about that. For example, at 4 o'clock I have to see somebody. I totally forgot. At about 4:30 I remember that I had an appointment.

I go down. Fortunately, the fellow who was supposed to come never arrived, so I will be sitting there. Five seconds after I was sitting there, he arrives. "Swāmījī, I am so apologetic. I am sorry I kept you waiting for half an hour." And I am glaring at him as though I am going to — the poor fellow doesn't know I totally forgot! He came only two seconds before, and I would not let him know that fact. So naughty, right?

So this is an example. If we are not aware of the past, we won't be asking the question "When?" We will not even know how to measure when a person is born. The whole concept of time will be gone.

Concept of time — consciousness of time — means we know the past, we know the present, we know... Now, this is a very superficial thought. It is an introduction. But really speaking, time itself is very temporal.


Consciousness as Beyond Time — The Eternal Witness

So, if you are asking about time, you must be aware of timelessness. So something that is aware of timelessness must be beyond time. That means: Is there a time when it was not there? Will there be a time when it will come to a stop? That means it is eternal.

For something which is eternal, how do you say, "When did consciousness arise?" So, when we ask such a question, what we are presuming is not consciousness, but the reflection of consciousness associated with something which is limited. That is called the reflection of consciousness.


The Reflecting Medium: Mirror, Reflection, and Original

So, what is a reflection? If we have to have a reflection, then we must be there, of course — without us, there would be no reflection of ours. But there must be a reflecting medium, in this case a mirror. So the reflection in the mirror and the mirror: they are constant factors.

You can't say the mirror is there but the reflection is not there, or the reflection is there and the mirror is not there. The moment you see the reflection, you have to presume that both the mirror and the reflection are born at the same time, and both also disappear exactly at the same time.

So, with that analysis, what do we have to understand? What is this reflection here? It is our awareness — called reflection. So: consciousness and awareness. What is the relationship? Consciousness is eternal. Awareness is something like a reflection.

So you are there, you are constant. You are in your house, and you are there, and the mirror is there. But the mirror has no reflection, because if you are moving that way, the mirror is practically useless. When you come and stand before the mirror, then the mirror and the reflection both become coeval. That reflection is like awareness.

So, you are aware now — you are sitting here and listening. That is your pure consciousness reflecting in the limited medium of your mind, making this observation.

So, what is my point? The reflecting medium and the reflection go together. So, the world — we are aware of the world only when there is a mind, an ahaṃkāra.


Introduction to Verse Six: Cit-Chāyā and the Birth of the Antaḥkaraṇa

These are the points in the next few verses until the thirteenth verse. What is being elaborated here? The birth of the mind, the subtle body or ego, and its function, and its destruction. The birth, the sṛṣṭi, sthiti and laya of the ahaṃkāra — these are our bondage. We are concerned with the bondage.

Why was he talking about those three seers and three scenes? It is only to bring this point: because this pure sākṣī is not in bondage, so that is no problem. And the world, being completely seen, has no problem. It doesn't even know I exist. It is you who say, "I see you exist."

And you go in front of the mirror and smile. "This mirror — what a beautiful mirror! It is smiling." Does the mirror know that it is smiling? Or is it you who know and who say, "You bad mirror, I am smiling and still you don't show me beautiful"? The poor mirror doesn't know.

So the world itself has no problem. Its existence, its birth and its death all depend upon our mind. When does it happen? When you are in suṣupti, the whole universe is completely dead. But the moment you wake up, then the world comes. "I am here." Does the world say, "I am here"? Or are you saying to the world, "Say, what do you say?"


Verse Six

Cit-chāyāveśato buddhau bhānam destu vidhāsthitā ekāhaṃ-kṛtir anyasyāt antaḥkaraṇarūpiṇe

So, here he introduces a new word: cit-chāyā. Chāyā means shadow. Cit-chāyā means the shadow of the cit. Citcit means consciousness. Citaḥ, citiḥcitiḥ is the noun. Citaḥ means the ṣaṣṭhī-bhakti, "of the pure consciousness." Cetanā, citi — all these are synonymous words. Cit-chāyā means the reflection or the shadow of pure consciousness. This is always a very important word.


Ātman Is Never Bound — Only the Reflection Appears Bound

You say, "Why is ātman bound?" Ātman is never bound. What is it that appears to be bound? Again, that is very important — that appears to be bound. You know — chāyā-grāhīātman: "He caught it." So, like that — it is only we are all, you know, like that chāyā. We are all chāyās.

And so that is why we are caught. Somebody catches us. Cit-chāyā — what is that? Your cosmetic companies catch us. Your dress companies catch us. The whole businesses — all businesses — catch you. What do they catch? They never catch the real you. They only catch the chāyā. They judge you by the chāyā. They never judge you by your personality, what you are inside. They only judge you by your dress.

Now, imagine the sun is reflecting in a small pot of water — as if that sun is caught. "I caught." So what did you catch really? Reflection. Did you really catch? Can you catch? You go on beating somebody's shadow — what is happening to this other person? Nothing is happening.

So, nothing happens either to the reflection, and nothing happens to the original thing also. The whole thing is a show. How difficult it is to understand!

That is why the dream — very often we refer to the dream — because in the dream you can go on beating your boss. So he is happy, you are happy, everybody is happy.


Buddhi as the Reflecting Medium: The Birth of Ahaṃkāra and Antaḥkaraṇa

Chāyāveśatā buddhibuddhi is the reflecting medium. There is a material called buddhi. And when this chāyā — the reflection of the cit, meaning the reflection of consciousness — falls, when cit is reflected in that buddhi, then two things happen. That buddhi transforms itself into two. One is called ahaṃkāra, because that ahaṃkāra belongs to the cit. What is cit? "I am so and so." I am — but as far as I am is concerned, there is no bondage. But the moment you say, "I am so and so," that "so and so" becomes the reflection and bondage.

So he is telling: when this cit reflects in that ghaṭa or reflecting medium called buddhi, two things happen. One is called ahaṃkāra. The other is called antaḥkaraṇa — what we call mind: manas, buddhi, citta, ahaṃkāra.

Now, these four are divided into two. Ahaṃkāra is one, and the other three are there. Why is this division? Why is this division? Because even to say "my mind," there must be ahaṃkāra. To say, "I remember" or "I do not remember" — ahaṃkāra should be there. "I know" and "I do not know" — ahaṃkāra is needed. That is why this antaḥkaraṇa is divided into two parts: ahaṃkāra is one part, and the rest is another part.


A Clarification on the Division of Antaḥkaraṇa

Mahārāj, quick question: Is this any different from how antaḥkaraṇa is usually defined — as manas, buddhi, citta and ahaṃkāra?

No, no. What he is trying to tell — and from your point of view also — is that ahaṃkāra is common to all the three. Ahaṃkāra means there must be somebody to know that "this is my buddhi, this is my manas, and this is my citta." So even though the whole thing consists including the ahaṃkāra, that ahaṃkāra has a special function. What is the function? The citta doesn't know "I am a citta." The buddhi doesn't know "I am a buddhi." The manas doesn't know "I am a manas." So there must be this reflected consciousness which illumines and adds — to say, "I am the manas, I am the buddhi, and I am the citta." It's almost like the "I" is the ahaṃkāra, the truth, and these three are kṛṣṇa.

That is the point. That is the point really.

So the most important point is: here is the world, here is the sākṣī, and in between comes the so-called mind with the reflected consciousness. This is the first point we have to catch. The bondage and the liberation happen neither to the citti nor to the dṛśya, but to this fellow which is in between — and it identifies itself both with the citti and also with the dṛśya. The world itself has no consciousness. So I have to give and say, "This is a tree, this is a beautiful tree, this is an ugly tree, let me cut it off." All these things somebody else has to do.


The Reflecting Medium Is Not Pre-Existing but Created Simultaneously

Now, there is something wonderful, because we are trying to understand Advaita Vedānta. So all these are analogical procedures — examples. Here is the sun, here is the pot of water, and here is the reflection. Because we live in the dualistic world, we already presume these two: the reflecting pot. So the sun is there, and the sun falls into the water, and the reflecting medium comes.

But what we have to understand here is that the reflecting medium itself is a modification of the cit-chāyā. It is not that it is sitting there for the cit to be reflected. That itself is like an ice cream cup — a cone. Once I was travelling in an aeroplane. They gave me a cup of ice cream. "Why did they not supply me a spoon to eat this ice cream?" It took me some time to figure out: the cup itself is made up of the ice cream. But it is looking like a real cup! You have to eat the whole cup. If it is like a cone, immediately even I can understand — but it took me some time.


The Simultaneous Creation of World and Self Upon Waking

So, the reflection of citta itself creates simultaneously the reflecting medium and also the reflection. How do we know? This analogy: suppose it is dark. There is a pot of water — as though nothing existed. The moment the sun rises, what does it do? Not only does it reflect, but it also illumines the pot of the water. "Oh yes, here is a pot of water! Oh yes, there is a reflection in that pot of water!" Both are made possible only because of the reflection of the consciousness.

So here he is not telling it is created, but as though it is there. But who is creating it? It is the reflection only that is creating it. Don't you see? When you go to sleep — deep sleep — the whole world disappears. When you wake up, two things happen: there is a world, and there is you who recognises the world. Both simultaneously come into being as soon as you wake up. When you go to sleep, simultaneously both of them disappear.

So in a sense you can say: who creates this world? I create the world — and I also create myself. I also create myself to recognise, "Yes, there is this world." So within us there are two, all the time.


The Three Factors: Origin, Reflection, and Reflecting Medium

Mother, is it like this ego — taku says ripe ego and unripe ego?

No, no, no. Ripe ego and unripe ego both belong to the mind. And there is somebody else sitting there who knows: "I know both of you." Don't you know — you say, "Oh, I was a fool." When you make that statement, you are actually cognising two things: "Before, I was a fool; now I am a wise person." And then: "I am aware of your past, I am also aware of your present." Like this, that means there is the reflection, the original, and at the same time the reflection, and how that reflection is reacting — illuminating the whole mind — the whole thing as it were simultaneously going.

Here is the sun, here is the pot of water, and here is the reflection. How many things are there now? Three. That is why Ṭhākur's example is most wonderful. Ten pots are there — you break one — when the last pot is there, how many suns are there? One, two? No! When the last pot is there, three things are there. What are those three things? One pot, and two suns — reflected sun and original sun.

So, always within us we are like this — that is the pot. Within us, this is the pot and there is a reflection, and someone who also knows that here is both the pot and the reflection. So we have all three within us: the one who is the "I", then the reflection, and also the reflecting medium. All three are there. But at different levels.

No, no — there are only two levels. There are only two types of beings. One being says, "I am the original sun; here is the pot and reflection." The other one says, "I am the pot, reflecting, and there is original sun." So those who think "I am the pot" — they go to pot! Those realised souls say, "I am the Self; here is a body and mind." We say, "I am the body and mind, and there is a Self."


Verse Six: Summary

Buddhi appears to possess luminosity on account of the reflection of consciousness in it. That is the reflection. As if this reflection is divided by this author into two — actually what is called the buddhi is the antaḥkaraṇa. And that antaḥkaraṇa has got four parts: ahaṃkāra, manas, buddhi, citta. But ahaṃkāra is very special, because without that, everything else is there.

When you are sleeping, your mind is there, your buddhi is there, your citta is there. But what happens without ahaṃkāra? As if they were non-functional. That is the idea here.

Now, why is he describing this? In these few ślokas, until we come to number thirteen, the birth of the antaḥkaraṇa, the function and sustenance of the antaḥkaraṇa, and how this antaḥkaraṇa can be brought to an end — because that is our goal. Sādhana is meant only to bring this antaḥkaraṇa to an end. And with the help of the antaḥkaraṇa, so antaḥkaraṇa has to destroy itself. Then the problem of reflection — everything — will go away.


Next Verse: The Body Becomes Conscious Through Borrowing

Tādātmya dehas cetanām agat Tādātmya dehas cetanām agat Tādātmya dehas cetanām agat

So, matam means the teaching or the opinion of whom? As they say matam, it means somebody who knew about it. This is the teaching of somebody who knew the truth about this. So, what happens? This chāyā — here chāyā means cit-chāyā, the reflection of consciousness — and ahaṃkāra: these two become one. Not really one, but appear to be completely one, as if it becomes. The example is tapta āya piṇḍavat. Āyaḥ means an iron ball. Tapta means, if it is put in the fire, it becomes — it glows red. Now it appears as though the iron ball has acquired the power of burning. Actually you don't see the fire separately; it has become one. This has become red, and it has all the characteristics of the fire. So it is so mixed up — one appears to be the iron ball appearing to be fire, fire appearing to be iron ball.


Light and Its Reflecting Medium — A Scientific Observation

It is an interesting fact. Have you seen fire without any medium? Have you seen light without a medium? This fact is so common and so interesting — and yet we miss it. See, there is so much of sunlight here. We just go above the stratosphere — pitch black. Was there no sunlight? What happened? There was no obstruction between the sun and that place. So, why is it pitch black? Because there is no reflecting medium there. Here, there are lots of dust particles and other things. Anything is enough to reflect. Since there is no object there, you don't see the light at all.

What a wonderful fact it is. That means, what is the conclusion? The conclusion is: you can never see light — you can only infer light through the medium. But you say, "What are you talking about? We see light all over." You are not seeing light. You see only on the car. What is this light you see? It is the reflection of invisible particles there.


Digression: Colour and the Brain's Concoction

I told you there is a wonderful programme a few days back on the BBC — BBC is producing lots of marvellous programmes.

Mahārāj, is it accessible here?

Yes, you can — this is what is called one country's broadcast. Unless they themselves franchise, others cannot watch it. But there is a way to overcome that. I think it is a VPN system or something like that. As far as I tried, but we couldn't get it to work. Once the iPlayer opens up, you can watch them — or the other way is through videos or YouTube; many things they are putting. So I will mention just two things.

One beautiful programme is about seeing the stars. The other one is: "Do You See What I See?" — that means colours. There is no such thing called colour. Colour is a complete, complete misnomer.

First of all, colour is a production of the brain — a concoction of the brain. And they have shown one experiment. So they have shown four squares. The upper two squares: one is complete green, another is complete red. And in between these two, they are completely like a window — two separate windows. In between these two windows there is a small circle — very small — for you to glare at. Down below there is one picture on both these panels: a desert. Sandy colour — both sides, both panels. In between also there is a small circle where you have to glare.

Now, having shown this, the first thing they say is: "Now go on glaring at that small circle in the upper one, where the left side is green and the right side is red, for a minute or so." Before doing that, you see: this is green, this is red, and both of the lower panels are completely the same sandy colour. Now you go on glaring at it for one minute. Having glared at it, you start glaring at this lower circle. Now what happens is: that sandy picture — the left side becomes greenish and the right side becomes reddish.

And then the question — which is the original colour? That is one.

Then the second experiment: they have kept a lot of pictures — eggs, books of different colours — and a plate full of bananas. Now the experimenter goes on changing the lights. As that light changes colour, all the objects are changing their colours. Excepting the banana. The banana colour is not changing. What does that show? Because the brain thinks the banana colour must be like this only. In spite of all the changing colours, it still sees the banana as it wants to see.

I think it is the priming effect — something called the priming effect.

The point they wanted to make is: colour is purely a production of the brain — not something objectively there. It is the brain which is dictating what colour is there. And to prove this one, you can look at artists. If an artist is looking at this, he or she will look in a totally different way. Not only will red not change into green — he will see much subtler types of things. Yes, by practising.


The Sun, Moon, and Mirror: Levels of Borrowed Consciousness

So, the buddhi gets what is called the nature of consciousness to say "I am buddhi." Actually, that "I am" belongs to whom? Consciousness. So it is — the sat and the cit and the ānanda, all these three belong to the sākṣī — the pure consciousness.

So the pure consciousness, when its reflection falls, the first thing the buddhi says is "I am buddhi." I am means "I exist as buddhi" — sat. "I know I am buddhi" — cit. "I am happy, I am unhappy" — ānanda.

So in this context also, asti, the whole experience of life is divided into five: asti, bhāti, priyam, nāma and rūpa. The first three belong to pure consciousness. The last two belong to the world. That is all. Added, so astibhātipriyam plus nāma-rūpa is our life.

Asti means sat. Bhāti means cit. Priyam — everything is priyam. So everything is priyam to God because it is only God. So everything is priyam for God.

So how do you explain that we don't like everything — we only like something, we dislike something?

No, the idea is: everything is dear to something. See, everything in this world is dear to something. You know there are toads — ugly toads. Who loves ugly toads? Miss Ugly Toad, when she comes out parading, Mr. Ugly Toad will be all gaga. How does he address her? "My beautiful! Honey, darlings!" So, everything is dear to something in this world because we are jīvas. But everything is dear to God because he is none other than God — meaning everything is nothing but God. That is the understanding of priyam.


How the Body Becomes Conscious: From Cit to Mind to Body

So now you see: the ahaṃkāra has become one with the reflection of the pure consciousness and then became the representative, agent of consciousness. "I am conscious." Now this deha goes and identifies itself with this — the vicāra in the form of ahaṃkāra. Just as that tapta-āyaḥ happened — this is glowing. Supposing another piece of wood, or another piece of metal, goes and embraces it — then what happens? That also starts to glow. Or one magnet — a piece attached to the magnet — then that piece becomes magnetised. Then another piece which goes and attaches to itself: that also becomes magnetised.

In that way, here the mind — the antaḥkaraṇa or the ahaṃkāra — is getting that: the ahaṃkāra itself, "I am," is a reflection of the pure consciousness in the antaḥkaraṇa. And this body or the antaḥkaraṇa goes and embraces the body. As soon as it embraces the body, the body comes to life and says, "Ah, I am smiling." This is how: from the pure consciousness to the mind, from the mind to the body.

Now, this is what explains how the body really becomes a kartā. "Body" means in this case your body is nothing but five jñānendriyas. So these five jñānendriyas become kartādṛk. That is the meaning of the body becoming conscious.

Mahārāj, Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāj used to give that example that if the pen had consciousness, it would have thought that I wrote that novel, not knowing the author.

Yes. That is the point. The body thinks "I am conscious," not knowing it has borrowed this consciousness from the mind.


The Hierarchy of Borrowed Consciousness: A Wholesale Analogy

Why do we say — why can't we say — it borrowed its consciousness directly from the original? You see, that lending — Lehman Brothers or whatever — they lend to other banks and the other banks lend to other banks or customers or whatever. So, why can't the customers go directly to Lehman Brothers? No. Because they only deal with wholesale.

So the mind is the wholesaler. It borrows the consciousness from the pure consciousness, and that borrowed consciousness — it freely distributes, lends itself — because it lends with conditions and all those things. "You must serve my purpose." This is the process in your office. Your shareholders, they employ this fellow as though "you represent us." He is called Executive Director, and the Executive Director appoints somebody to assist him, and those assistants — subcontracting, subcontracting, subcontracting. So that is how this whole saṃsāra grows: subcontracting.

I think we are ready to get to how to break that link. Are you? Do you think?

Listen. Not so easy. We are ready to borrow some more.


The Sun-Moon-Mirror Analogy: Three Levels of Reflection

So this is the process described. The indriyas borrow from the mind. The mind borrows from the cit-chāyā — not from the original. You see, the mirror — it borrows its power of illuminating the room from where? You see, the moment that sun goes down or the original light goes off — it is like a moon. You see, here is sunlight, here is the moon, and here is a mirror. So at night, the moonlight is falling on the mirror, and the mirror is illuminating the room and says, "Oh mirror, what a great thing you are!"

If it is a bound soul, it says, "Yes, yes, don't forget me — I am giving you light." If it is an enlightened one, it says, "No, no, I am sorry. I am only a reflective medium. I don't know anything. You ask the moon." Again, if the moon is a baddha-jīva, it says, "Yes, I am lending you." But if it is an enlightened soul, it says, "No, I am also borrowing from somebody else." Then you go to the sun, and you don't need to ask — because you know it is self-revealing.

So the sun lends to the moon, the moon lends to the mirror. What is the analogy here? The sun is the pure consciousness; the moon is the mind; the moonlight reflects in the mirror; this body is comparable to that mirror. It appears as though the mirror is giving its own light. So it illuminates the room. The room is the prapañca. The reflected reflection in the moon is the deha. It is borrowing from the mind. The moon is the mind, and the mind is borrowing from the pure consciousness.

You mean the cit-chāyā was the mind?

Cit-chāyā is in the mind. Mind is not cit. Mind is because — why is this necessary? If the original consciousness is never bound, it is only the limitedness of the mind which makes the consciousness seem to be limited. Reflecting means seem to be limited. So when we are longing for liberation, it is the mind which gets the liberation. What is it that gets liberation? The cit-chāyā is released from the mind by the breaking up of the mind — because the pure consciousness is never ever bound. When it is not bound, how do you say it is liberated? So all the liberation and bondage belong only to the reflection and never to the original thing. Otherwise your whole Advaita Vedānta will burst like a dam.


The Analogy of Pots in the Lake

You see the point. So this is a beautiful analogy — the sun. If the moon's moonlight is small, moonlight is big — that means sunlight is small, sunlight is big? The light is never small or big. It is only the mind grows small, the mind grows big, and accordingly it reflects more or less of light.

So the original thing — there is no question. It is only the cit-chāyā which, because the reflecting medium is broken, it appears as though that which is bound is gone.

These are given in so many ways. In a lake you immerse five or six pots — imagine they are different coloured pots. We want water from the third tumbler, number fourth tumbler. But what is inside is exactly the same. It appears as though the water inside and the water outside — this inside and outside is because of what? Because of the limiting agent, we are forced to classify the water also into two types: inside water and outside water. The moment you break the pot, it appears as though the inside water has rushed out and merged in the outside water. Yet, what rushed out? What rushed in? What rushed in was the tumbler. What rushed out is the tumbler. But because we don't see the water, it appears as though water is rushing in and water is rushing out. So what is rushing in and rushing out is only the tumbler.


Verse Eight: The Three Relationships of Ahaṃkāra

Ahaṃkārasya tādātmye picchayādehaSākṣibhiḥ Sahajaṃ karmajaṃ bhrānti-janyaṃ ca trividhaṃ kramāt

This is the most interesting verse so far. What is it? The original consciousness is there, then this antaḥkaraṇa is there, then the body is there. The original consciousness is also consciousness — light. The ahaṃkāra also is the reflected light, and the body also appears to be light. In between — original one here and body here — the antaḥkaraṇa is there. All these three are, we become conscious of, because of that cit-chāyā. And that cit-chāyā manifests in the form of ahaṃkāra.

Now that ahaṃkāra has got these three things. What are those three things? One is the original consciousness, another is the cit-chāyā, and another is the body. So what is the relationship of ahaṃkāra with the body? What is its relationship with the antaḥkaraṇa — which is cit-chāyā? What is the relationship between the reflection and the reflecting medium? What is the relationship between the reflection and the original? And: the reflection itself is a body — what is its relationship with its own body nature?

In other words, ahaṃkāra has to deal with these three. Ahaṃkāra with body, ahaṃkāra with the mind, and ahaṃkāra with the pure consciousness. What a beautiful analysis he is bringing! You don't hear of this anywhere.

It is necessary to find out what is the relationship — because if you don't know what connects you, you will not know how to disconnect.


The Three Types of Relationships: Sahajam, Karmajam, Bhrānti-janyam

Ahaṃkārasya tādātmyatādātmya means tapta-āyaḥ-piṇḍavat — with the body. That is why the body says, "I am the body." That means there are two: the body is there, the ahaṃkāra is there — then only "I am the body."

1. Karmajam — the relationship with the body

The ahaṃkāra with this body is purely karmajam. Meaning what? The karma shapes the body, and the ahaṃkāra reflects itself. "I am small, I am big, I am intelligent, I passed, I failed. I am old, I am young, I am enlightened." All those things — it is totally dependent upon karma. Why is it? Because the karma alters this relationship all the time.

You see: "I am a baby." Then the baby grows up: "Oh, I am a grown-up." Suppose a person failed: "I failed." The person works hard — karma — and then he passes: "I passed." See, everything depends upon karma. How to get rid of it? Karma Yoga. A karma yogi is one who has no relationship with karma. The moment there is no relationship with karma, the relationship with the body is also totally destroyed. Okay, that is why it is called karmajam.

2. Sahajam — the natural relationship with Cit-Chāyā

Sahajam means: its origin itself is dependent upon the antaḥkaraṇa. Therefore, until the antaḥkaraṇa is destroyed, this natural relationship you can't alter by work or any such thing. It is not possible. Because without cit-chāyā, the ahaṃkāra itself will not be there. Ahaṃkāra itself is the result of cit-chāyā. The reflecting medium and the reflection — they go together. Their relationship is natural and eternal.

3. Bhrānti-janyam — the illusory relationship with Pure Consciousness

What is the relationship of reflection with the original? It is bhrānti. What is bhrānti? There is no relationship at all. This is living, this is dead. This is eternal, this is temporary.

What is this reflected ahaṃkāra saying now? "I am puny. I am born. I am growing. I am going to be dead." But the cit itself will never say, "I am born and I am going to be dead." Therefore, completely diametrically opposite characteristics. Therefore, bhrānti-janyam means: the ahaṃkāra is born out of bhrānti. How can there be a relationship? There is no relationship. So if there is no relationship, but there seems to be a relationship — which is called bhrānti — when does the bhrānti get out?

See, you are seeing a snake. Your relationship with the rope is purely bhrānti. You are seeing nothing but the rope, but you are imagining it is a snake. So it is creating a problem. What is the way out? Bring light. Then the snake disappears. So the opposite of bhrānti is jñānam. The opposite of ajñānam is jñānam. When jñānam comes, not only that will disappear — jñānam is the final destruction for all three types of relationships. That is what he wants to say.


Verse Nine: How to Destroy the Three Relationships

Sambandhe naṣṭayor nāsti nivṛtti sahajasyāto Karmakṣayāt praboddhāchya nivṛtte te kramādube Nivṛtte te kramādube

Now he is telling how we can get out of these three types of relationships. Mukti means getting out of relationship. Relationship is possible only when there is a duality — there must be a minimum of two. That is why it is called dvaita. So advaita — no relationship. Dvaita — always relationship will be there.

All relationships fall into three categories. So one important point for us to remember: all these three relationships are completely bhrānti-jñāna only. Why? Just as in your dream — when you go into your dream, how many of you are there in the dream? Two.

One is the witness — because when you wake up, "I saw myself as a small girl taking the school books and walking, and a dog came walking." An incident that happened 30 years back comes rushing into your mind. Three things. What are those three things? The first thing is the original you, witnessing the whole dream — that is how you remember. The character in your dream doesn't remember the dream. It is you, your original you, who remembers what happened in the dream. Then your creation of yourself in the dream. And then your creation of everything else in the dream.

So it is: your creation of yourself — "Oh, this person likes me, that person doesn't like me, this dog is barking at me" etc. — all is dependent upon that one. Even if you see a hundred people, that hundred totally depend upon that reflected you, created by you in the dream. And you, the created one, and how you are relating and reacting — that is being recorded simultaneously by the original you who created that dream.


Destroying the Karmaja Relationship: Karmakṣaya

So now, with that understanding, let us go. The second sentence — karmakṣayāt — the karmaja relationship is destroyed. Karmakṣayāt means by the destruction of karma. Destruction of karma can be done in two ways.

If you are a spiritual practitioner, through the practice of karma yoga, karmakṣaya is done. But if you are liberated, of course, the whole karma will come to an end — because when you have given up your identity with the body, there is no karma. There is no karma.

Let us give an example. Suppose you have a car, and imagine this car had some defects. You know the defects are there, but you didn't have enough money, so you just repaired one or two, and somehow it is running — but you know there are so many defects which will come up in the future which you have not rectified now. Imagine this kind of car.

Now, already there are some things you have repaired — to that extent the car runs alright — but some defects which you know are there but have not repaired: those defects, even when you are running the car, those defects are also running simultaneously. Start walking — kaṭ, kaṭ, kaṭ, khaṭ. All these things happen. So you see: the doors are creaking, and this one sometimes works, sometimes only half works. So that is prārabdha. So that prārabdha is there. And then, because you have not repaired, this will develop some more future karma. If you don't, then the ball bearing will wear out, and then one day something will fall off. All these things will happen.

Imagine you have this car — imagine one day you have a neighbour and you park the car in between both your houses. Imagine one night you sold the car to that neighbour. The car is still there. Before, if something happens to the car, you are affected. After you sell, you are sleeping — sound sleep — your neighbour is keeping himself awake. So a jīvan-mukta is like one who has sold his car. He has returned it to the original owner: "Now had enough of it, now you look after it." And he is happily enjoying it. Still the car is there. Imagine that your neighbour is good enough to say, "For a few days you use it." Now you are happily running fast — "I don't care, because whatever happens, it belongs to the other person who owns it."

So now, do you see what is the problem? Karmakṣaya — either you disassociate yourself with it, even if you have that body, or you get complete knowledge of who you are. In either case it doesn't affect you.


Destroying the Bhrānti-janya Relationship: Prabodha

Then prabodha — by awakening. Here prabodha means not getting up from sleep, but by illumination — through acquisition of jñāna, knowledge. The bhrānti-jñāna relationship comes to an end. How does the relationship — previously you say "I am small, you are big" — now there is no two. There is only one: "I am That." So there is no relationship at all.

So when we say "I am one," the smaller one becomes destroyed. The alone — that one alone remains. That is why: pūrṇaṃ pūrṇam udacyate, pūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya, pūrṇam eva avaśiṣyate. You have attained knowledge. Therefore, bhrānti-jñāna goes through jñāna. Through karmakṣaya, it destroys the relationship with the body.

What is the third relationship remaining now?

What is that sahajam? Until the antaḥkaraṇa is destroyed, its relationship will never come to an end. And that antaḥkaraṇa will be destroyed only with the jñāna: "I am no more an antaḥkaraṇa." So for that, sādhana has to be done.


Final Knowledge Destroys All Three

We talked about knowledge in two places — destroying bhrānti and destroying the sahaja relationship. Is this the same knowledge that destroys both?

The real knowledge destroys all three. All three. So karmakṣaya can be destroyed in two ways — that is why I said. One way: as a sādhaka, you still have the body, but you can say — if you are a bhakta, "This body belongs to God; in either case it doesn't belong to me." If you are a karma yogi, you say, "This body — I have no relationship with this body." Though you have not attained the final knowledge, this is called karma yoga. Some relationship is there, but it doesn't affect you that much. But karmakṣaya will come to an end the moment you become a yogī; your future karma comes to an end. But your sañcita and āgāmi, both come to an end. Prārabdha karma you just bear as a tapasyā.

So if you are bearing it, what is the difference now? The difference is: previously you were thinking, "I am the body." Now you are thinking: "There is a body in which I am trapped, but I will try to put up with it as much as possible." So that way, until karmakṣaya happens, you are out. Even though body is there, even though body is doing something, you don't feel you are doing it. So the effect becomes much, much reduced. But the final, complete separation will come only when the knowledge arrives.

So the word karmakṣaya means destruction of karma. But here in this context we can understand it in two ways. When knowledge comes, because you have no relationship with karma, your karmakṣaya is gone — like selling your car. In the other case also, because you are a yogī, the karmakṣaya is not gone, but your relationship — "I am suffering" or "I am doing this" — comes to an end. Either the effect comes to an end and your relationship is gone, or the relationship is gone.

You know, a crude example to give: suppose a person is married, and the marriage is not very happy. It can end in two ways. If one of the partners dies, then the relationship comes to an end. The other way: the person divorces and goes away — then the relationship, even though the partner is there, because the relationship is gone, the associated suffering becomes reduced to a great extent.


The Sahaja Relationship: Cannot End While Both Exist

So now one relationship is there — what is that relationship? Sahaja. Sahaja is never going to come to an end — both either die or both live. If both live, because they cannot die separately — they are born together, and they also die together. So that is why he says that is never going to happen.

Sambandhinoḥ stataḥ nāsti — because this is sambandhinoḥ, mutually related — the ego and the cit-chāyā — that is why he says nāsti: so long as they are, stataḥ means they are together. Nivṛtti sahajasyātu — so because the relationship is sahaja, nivṛtti nāsti — there is no destroying this relationship. That means the antaḥkaraṇa cannot stand aside from cit-chāyā. Otherwise, how does it know that "I am antaḥkaraṇa"? And if the cit-chāyā is not there, the antaḥkaraṇa doesn't know. If the antaḥkaraṇa is not there, where is cit-chāyā? If the reflecting medium is gone, the reflection also will go. If the reflection also goes away, the reflecting medium will not be called a reflecting medium at all. Either they both come together, or they both go together.

Why is it like that? If there is no student, the teacher will not be called a teacher. If there is no student, no person will be called a teacher. Even one student is enough — so far as that person is concerned, if that person goes to sleep, what happens to the teacher? There is no teacher. So far as that student is concerned, the others may think. So this is a beautiful relationship.

That means what? So long as there is a mind, you cannot destroy the mind — that is not possible. But you can try to destroy the other two. And if you destroy the other two, then this also will be destroyed, because the bhrānti itself goes away. All three will go away.


Verse Ten: The Three States — Jāgrat, Svapna, Suṣupti

Mahārāj, are there any examples where we can possibly guess that this person has probably done with his karma, but he still has this sahaja relationship?

There are so many examples. First example: each one of us are perfect examples of that for some hours every day. In suṣupti — when you are in suṣupti, you are still alive, your body is alive, and your cit-chāyā is alive. Your cit-chāyā is alive, because what is it that thinks it is going into deep sleep? It is not pure consciousness — it has nothing to do with that. It is the cit-chāyā which moves on, saying, "I am in the waking state." Who is it that says "I am in the waking state"? Cit-chāyā. Who is it that says "I am in the dream"? Cit-chāyā. And who is it that says "I am in deep sleep"? Cit-chāyā.

Actually, Mahārāj, only after coming out of deep sleep we say that I had a good sleep, but when I am there I don't say I am. I don't know.

You are talking foolishly! The moment you say "I had a nice dinner" — without eating dinner, could you ever say "I had a nice dinner"? No. Just answer me.

He presumes. Abhāva — there is no dvaita experience there, but you are there.

That is why you say "I did not know anything." To know "I did not know anything," somebody should be there. Because that is the memory you had — and that memory came back as "I had wonderful sleep." Who had that wonderful sleep? Cit is not telling. Cit doesn't even know that it is in either waking or dream or dreamless state. It is only cit-chāyā which is associated and tells — as contrasted.


The Logic of Negation and the Three States

Now let me put it this way, because this needs a little bit of logic and thinking. Now, whenever we say "I am so and so," simultaneously we are saying "I am not the other things." But if you have to go on saying "I am not this, I am not this," then you will never complete the sentence "I am this" — like the Thousand and One Arabian Nights story. So simply we say "I am this," but meaning "I am nothing else."

So when we say, "In which state are you?" — "Are you in the waking state? No. Are you in the dream state? No." Do you see — do you understand what I am pointing out? You are presuming: "I was not in the waking state, I was not in the dream state." That is why you are saying "I am in another state which is related to these states." Otherwise, what other state is there? You must be a jīvan-mukta. You are not in that state because you are coming to these two other states.

That is why when we say something — "I know this" — that always presumes "I do not know the other thing." That itself limits. "I do not know the other thing" means "I know something." I know something and I don't know the other thing. If you know everything of even one, you know everything of everything. Then you become free. Differentiation will vanish.


Deep Sleep: Suṣupti as an Illustration of the Sahaja Relationship

So, deep sleep — we are alive but we completely disassociate. But that dissociation doesn't come from our conscious effort. In fact it comes from our unconsciousness — because if you consciously want to go to sleep, it is never possible.

In fact, we are all jīvan-muktas in the sense that if I am suffering, you don't suffer. You are a jīvan-mukta so far as I am concerned, so far as the whole universe is concerned. 99.999999% — you are jīvan-mukta only. Only a little bit — "I am Kiran" — that is the only problem!


Verse Ten: The Body Becomes Achetana Without Ahaṃkāra

Ahaṃkāra-laye suṣuptau bhavet dehaḥ api acetanaḥ

So, ahaṃkāra-laye suṣuptau — when in deep sleep, this ahaṃkāra becomes merged. Then what happens? Dehaḥ api acetanaḥ — the deha becomes acetana. Acetana means what? It appears to be alive for others, but it itself is completely acetana. Acetana means: to feel "I am," "I can do this," "I want to do this" — all those functions cease. It just becomes a kind of machine.

You know, like a chicken: after you cut off its head, it still flaps. That has nothing to do. It is not suffering — it is dead. It is only the remaining motor, muscular reaction — automated reaction. It goes on for a long time. Even a snake — cut off its head — it goes on moving for a long time.

Anyway, the point is: in deep sleep, when ahaṃkāra is not functioning, the body itself appears to be acetana. That is a proof: without ahaṃkāra, the body cannot be conscious.


Ahaṃkāra in the Three States

Ahaṃkāra vikāsārtha svapnaḥ — when the ahaṃkāra is half functioning, that is called svapna avasthā. When ahaṃkāra is fully functional, then that is called jāgrat avasthā. So he is now describing how this ahaṃkāra functions in the three states of jāgrat, svapna, and suṣupti.

When it is in suṣupti, the whole body becomes acetana — and by extension, the whole jāgrat prapañca disappears. When the ahaṃkāra is half awake, two things happen: the external jāgrat avasthā is completely gone, but ahaṃkāra is half working. Then the vāsanās gathered in the waking state — with that material, you go on creating lots of imagery. That is called the state of svapna avasthā. And when the ahaṃkāra is 100% manifest, then it is called jāgrat avasthā.

That is why sādhana cannot be done either in svapna avasthā or in suṣupti avasthā. It can be done only in pūrṇa ahaṃkāra. Pūrṇa ahaṃtā here is not our jāgrat avasthāpūrṇa ahaṃtā means Brahman's complete "I am" state. That was the state of Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa.


The Mask Analogy: Degrees of Manifestation of Cit-Chāyā

Now your question is: what happens in suṣupti? It is there, but it is not manifest.

Now when we say "it is not functional," you have to understand again clearly — when you say "you are not working," you are not manifesting your power. Reflecting medium is not there.

You know, just imagine I am sitting here. Imagine you put on a mask — completely black — then what do I see? I don't see anything. Then you just put two slits: then I see a little bit. Then you take off the mask completely: then I see completely. So in this sense I am saying "I don't see anything," "I see a little," "I see everything."

It is not me who is not able to see — I am able to see completely — but it is this limitation imposed upon me which is making me feel "I don't see" or "I see a little." Even though I am using those words, I am capable of seeing everything, but not able to see because of this limitation. That is the point.

So the cit-chāyā is completely functional — because the light of consciousness can never become unconscious. But if you say it is completely unconscious, that means a mask is put over it. If it is able to function half, that means a smaller mask where half it can function, half it cannot. If it is able to function completely, that means there is no mask at all. That is the way we have to understand it. Pure consciousness can never be made unconscious.

That is why Ṭhākur chides Sivānāth Śāstrī. He says, "I am he who thinks of God who is full consciousness and I become unconscious, and you fellows who think of the world — you are fully conscious." There is a lot of meaning in what he says.


Conclusion: Knowledge Is the Destroyer of All Three Relationships

So, cit-chāyā — that is why the earlier connections we have to remember. What is the connection? Sahajam, karmajam and bhrānti-janyam. So until knowledge dawns, these relationships will never be destroyed.

So what does that mean? What is cit-chāyā? It is a reflection of the consciousness. The reflection is not — the cit is not becoming small. It is because of the reflecting medium. So remove the reflecting medium. Reflecting mediums are these two types: body and mind. Remove these mediums — then the cit-chāyā also goes away with that. Then the person is completely free.

Deep sleep is not removing the relationship, because there is a subtle vṛtti there. That subtle vṛtti is called kāraṇa-vṛtti. The mind is not absent in deep sleep. Mind is in a very, very subtle state. It is that which is carried to the waking state — and you remember it: "I had good sleep, I did not know anything."