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From today, we are going to enter into the second chapter of the ''Māndukya Upanishad''. The first chapter consists of 12 ''mantrās'' and 29 ''Kārikās'' of the ''Gaudapāda''. And it is called ''Āgama Prakarana''. ''Prakarana'' means chapter. The chapter called ''Āgama''. ''Āgama'' means scriptures. That is the ''Vedās'', the ''Upanishads, the Shruti''. So, with the first chapter, both - the ''Upanishad'' is also over, and the explanation by both ''Gaudapāda'' and ''Shankarāchārya'', both are over.
From today, we are going to enter into the second chapter of the ''Māndukya Upanishad''. The first chapter consists of 12 ''mantrās'' and 29 ''Kārikās'' of the ''Gaudapāda''. And it is called ''Āgama Prakarana''. ''Prakarana'' means chapter. The chapter called ''Āgama''. ''Āgama'' means scriptures. That is the ''Vedās'', the ''Upanishads, the Shruti''. So, with the first chapter, both - the ''Upanishad'' is also over, and the explanation by both ''Gaudapāda'' and ''Shankarāchārya'', both are over.


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What is the seventh ''mantra''? As we have seen, it is the description of ''Turiyam'' or ''Brahman''.
What is the seventh ''mantra''? As we have seen, it is the description of ''Turiyam'' or ''Brahman''.


Remember, the '''second ''mantra'' says  <u>सोऽयमात्मा</u> (''so 'yamātmā''), that is, <u>You in your real nature is none other than that Ātmā</u>.''' But one has to realise it.  
Remember, the '''second ''mantra'' says  <u>सोऽयमात्मा</u> (''so 'yamātmā''), that is, <u>You in your real nature is none other than that ''Ātmā''</u>.''' But one has to realise it.  


And in order to describe what is that ''Ātmā'' and what is not really ''Ātmā, mantras'' 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 are given. ''Mantrās'' of the ''Māndukya Upanishad.''
And in order to describe what is that ''Ātmā'' and what is not really ''Ātmā, mantras'' 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 are given. ''Mantrās'' of the ''Māndukya Upanishad.''
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But there is a category which is appearing for some time
But there is a category which is appearing for some time, and disappearing after some time. That is, it is changing all the time. It is subject to time, space and causation. That is, in full dark, full light, something is a rope. There is a rope, but in semi-darkness we think no change is taking place in the rope. All change takes place in our brains. So the object is not changing, but it is the idea, understanding, knowledge that is changing. First it was rope, then it is a snake, then the snake also changes into the rope. No change takes place in the rope, all changes take place in our minds.
and disappearing after some time
 
that is it is changing all the time
So, '''<u>''Mithyā'' means</u>''' that '''<u>- misunderstanding something as something else</u>'''. And this misunderstanding is in our brains, in our minds, in our ''buddhi,'' that is called ''Mithyā.'' So when we say ''Jagat'' is ''mithyā.'' There is no ''Jagat'' actually, just as there is no snake at all. What existed was rope, what exists is rope. So what existed, exists, will exist, that is called ''Brahman. Jagat'' is only a mistake in our minds.
it is subject to time, space and causation
 
that is in full dark, full light
And that temporarily mistaking ''Brahman'' or truth as something else is called superimposition. And superimposition takes place in time. And de-superimposition takes place also in time. And that is called ''Mithyā''.
something is a rope
 
there is a rope
Now ''Gaudapāda'' wants to prove, in this second chapter, that the whole world which we take for granted, in the three states of waking, dreaming and sleeping, it is nothing but ''mithhyā''. ''Mithyā'' means all the changes are taking place in our mind. No change is taking place. There is no such object called the world. There is only subject that is the ''Brahman.''
but in semi-darkness
 
we think no change is taking place in the rope
And to make this point very clear I want to give an example. Suppose, imagine you are standing in front of a mirror. If the mirror is absolutely clean then you get your own reflection, very true reflection. By that you understand I am so and so. Remember that mirror is what we call our ''buddhi, antaḥkaraṇa.'' But if the mirror is dirty, and if the light also is semi, then we can mistake ourselves as a ''bhuta'' etc. So many things we can do. That is what we are doing.
all change takes place in our brains
 
so the object is not changing
So we are looking through our body (reflection of ''Brahman''), through our mind (reflection of the ''Brahman''). We must break these mirrors! Then we know that I have not become anything else, I do not identify with anything else.
but it is the idea, understanding, knowledge that is changing
 
first it was rope, then it is a snake
So this word ''mithyā'' means seemingly real - seemingly real, seemingly beautiful, seemingly powerful, seemingly capable - these are all very tricky words. Seemingly means it is not true. Seemingly beautiful, means it is not true. Seemingly powerful, that means the person is not powerful at all.
then the snake also changes into the rope
 
no change takes place in the rope
And that is called '''<u>''Vaitathya -'' seemingly real</u>''', but in reality not true. It is false, that is called ''mithyā.''
all changes take place in our minds
 
so Mithya means that misunderstanding
So ''Sat'' means that which never undergoes change. ''Asat'' means that never exists, so therefore no problem. ''Mithyā'' means our mind superimposes, and misunderstands, and mistakes, and suffers, and that process is called ''mithyā.''
something as something else
 
and this misunderstanding is in our brains
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in our minds, in our buddhi
 
that is called Mithya
So, what is the point? There is no world excepting ''Brahman.'' But don't say that the world doesn't exist. So long as we are in ignorance, it is very real. And since it is real we have to behave as if it is real. I will come to the point very soon.
so when we say Jagat is Mithya
 
there is no Jagat actually
So the second chapter is called ''Vaitathya''-''Prakarna. '''Tathya''''' '''means truth.'''
just as there is no snake at all
 
what existed was rope
Remember ''Buddha,'' that is ''Siddhārtha,'' when He attained self-realisation, He was called thereafter ''Tathāgataha. '''Tathā''''' '''means just as it is'''. He understood I am ''Brahman -Tathā-āgataha -'' He attained to that realization. ''Tathā'' means what? ''Yathā'' just as He is. And what is He? He is ''Brahman''! That is what He understood.
what exists is rope
 
so what existed, exists, will exist
So, ''tathyam'' in Sanskrit we say, '''''tathyam'' means truth.''' And anything opposite to ''tathyam'' is called ''Vitathya. Vi-tathyam -'' that is absolute opposite of truth, untruth. Opposite of truth is untruth. And in Sanskrit because of certain grammatical rules, ''tathyam'' means truth. It’s  opposite is called ''vaitathyam,'' that means ''mithyā''.
that is called Brahman
 
Jagat is only a mistake in our minds
Because remember, ''Mithyā'' cannot exist without ''Satyam.'' If there were to be no rope, there would be no snake. If there were to be no dry sand, there would be no mirage. If there were to be no hare, the hare, what is called horns of rabbit will not exist. If a woman does not exist, she will not be called, what we call, barren woman. The truth is always there, but we mistake the truth, and that is called ''Vaitathya.''
and that temporarily mistaking Brahman or truth
 
as something else is called superimposition
In the second chapter, I think there are about 38 ''Kārikās.'' And all the ''Kārikās'' only talk about - the world is unreal. And that is what ''Gaudapāda'' wants to prove. How is he going to prove? For that he takes the example of dream. Now we have to understand a few concepts. How he comes, or how ''Advaita'' comes to this example… once we understand we can sail through this chapter very quickly.
and superimposition takes place in time
 
and desuperimposition takes also place in time
So ''Gaudapāda'' takes the example of dream. We all know, supposing yesterday night you had a dream… And remember these vital points - so long as you are in the dream state, it is not a dream. It is not seeming dream, it is not ''Mithya.'' It is absolute truth. But when you wake up, then you laugh and say, what I experienced was nothing, but certain, what we call actualized facts. Thoughts. Not facts - thoughts
and that is called Mithya
 
now Gaudapada wants to prove in this second chapter
Some thoughts have come, and we think that those thoughts are actually reality. For example, you might dream that you have come to ''Vārānasi''. Maybe you are in Calcutta, or in Bangalore, in Mumbai, but you might dream. You might be very fond of, you must have heard about ''Kāshi,'' and you want to visit. Or you visited, and you liked it very much, you are thinking about it. In dream you find yourself… But then when you wake up, you find exactly in the same place.
that the whole world which we take for granted
 
in the three states of waking, dreaming and sleeping
The places you have seen, the people you have met, the events that have taken place, everything has taken place, that has taken place in your dream is absolutely - appears to be real, so long as you are in the dream. But the moment you wake up, in comparison you will see that it is all unreal. Because you find yourself waking up in the place where you were before you started to dream. Now that is a marvelous example.
it is nothing but Mithya
 
Mithya means all the changes are taking place in our mind
Similarly, we think we have, we cherish a wrong notion that dream is a dream, waking state is real, and there are certain reasons for that.
no change is taking place
 
there is no such object called the world
What are the reasons?
there is only subject that is the Brahman
 
and to make this point very clear
# First reason is we are judging the dream from the standpoint of waking, but we are not capable of judging the waking state from the standpoint of the dream. And of course not at all possible in deep sleep. So this is the first mistake we commit.
I want to give an example
# And the second mistake we commit is that everyday we have different dreams. Not only everyday - the same night, same day also, daytime also, we can fall asleep.
suppose imagine you are standing in front of a mirror
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if the mirror is absolutely clean
 
then you get your own reflection
Even while you are listening to my talk, some of you, for a second, for a few seconds, will be thinking of something else, and you missed the class. And then you are in a dream state. Only it is called daydream, because you realize quickly, my thoughts are wandering. But there is absolutely no difference at all. The effect is the same. You miss the class, whether it is a night dream, or daydream. You miss the waking state, that is called a dream state.
very true reflection
 
by that you understand I am so and so
Ok, so we are judging that dreams are changing. Same dream rarely we see. But the waking state, whenever we come out of the dream state, we find ourselves exactly in the same waking state. Same city, same parents, same house, same family members, same office, same work, same everything!
remember that mirror is what we call our buddhi
 
Antah Karana
This is one of the greatest delusions in the world. So to counter that one, ''Gaudapāda,'' or ''Advaita Vedā,'' crystal clearly gives two opposite reasons, and there are other reasons, which I will come later on.
but if the mirror is dirty
 
and if the light also is semi
1) So one reason that they give is, supposing you have the same night, same dream every day, every night, then you will not…You will get confused, what is the dream, and what is the waking. As there is comparison, compare and contrast, we will find it very difficult. And many times we find it very difficult.
then we can mistake ourselves as a bhuta etc
 
so many things we can do
This was what ''Sri'' ''Rāmakrishna'' was trying to convey, through the story of that ''jnāni'' farmer, who was married, who had only son. And his son died, his wife sent news. Immediately he came, but there was no show of grief at all. And she got angry because she deducted that he was not loving his son and his family. And by proxy it means he doesn't love me also.
that is what we are doing
 
so we are looking through our body
In fact it is true. Supposing instead of the son, or along with the son, the house got burnt, and the wife also died, you have to extend. He will not shed tears. Supposing, it may look, his example may look cruel. Supposing he also is burnt, his body is getting burnt. Because he was a ''Jnāni,'' he will simply smile and say, this body is also like a dream.
reflection of Brahman
 
through our mind reflection of the Brahman
So the farmer gives explanation, ‘Dear, yesterday night I had a dream. I found myself, I was a king, I had a beautiful wife.’ I don't know how far… This is not what ''Sri'' ''Rāmakrishna'' says. I am adding some spice to that. ‘And I had 7 beautiful sons, educated sons, intelligent sons’, ( unlike this monkey faced one that we have ), a beautiful queen ( unlike you ) ‘but as soon as my dream broke I find myself in this’.
we must break these mirrors
 
then we know that I have not become anything else
So, when I enter into the dream state - waking state becomes unreal. When I come out of the dream state - dream becomes unreal!
I do not identify with anything else
 
so this word Mithya means seemingly real
What was the point we should not forget? If anyone of us, and there are a rare few, if the same dream every night happens? You find, exactly, the events, yesterday, today, and day before yesterday - then we will really get confused. So, this is the first reason. Just because everyday different dreams come doesn't mean that is unreal. It doesn't mean waking state is real.
seemingly real
 
seemingly beautiful
2) What is the second reason? Second reason is when we are in the waking state dream state is unreal. We forget, the same is true, when we are in the dream state - waking state also becomes nullified. We don't apply that logic. We should apply that logic. This is the second reason.
seemingly powerful
 
seemingly capable
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these are all very tricky words
 
seemingly means it is not true
3) Third reason, and many times I mentioned it. One of the fundamental principles of ''Vedānta'' - whatever we experience, is not we. I cannot stop repeating it umpteen number of times, because this is the truth. There are a few truths are there with regard to this. What is it? Whatever we experience… 
seemingly beautiful means it is not true
 
seemingly powerful
Suppose you see a house, you don't say I am the house; suppose you experience a car, you don't say I am the car. So whatever we experience, and by experience I mean whatever we see through the experience, through the five sense organs. Whatever sounds we hear, we don't say I am the sound. We don't say I am the smell, we don't say I am the taste, we don't say I am the touch. Whatever we experience is not me.
that means the person is not powerful at all
 
and that is called Vaithatya
And we all understand it, and we behave accordingly, but we also get lost. If it is somebody's house, somebody’s car, it doesn't affect us. If it is my house, I practically become my house. If somebody damaged my house, bombed my house, or put it on fire, and I get angry, I feel like killing that person if I can get him. So this is one.
seemingly real
 
but in reality not true
But when it comes to the body - I am the body and I have a body - they interplay. Similarly, with regard to the mind - they interplay. If there is a thought of happiness, I say I am happy. If there is a thought of unhappiness or suffering, I say I am unhappy.
it is false
 
that is called Mithya
But for the second fundamental principle… What was the first?
so Sat means that which never undergoes change
 
Asat means that never exists
1) '''Whatever we experience is not we'''. But since we experience body and mind - we are not the body mind. And that was the fact, truth, ''Shankarāchārya'' wants to convey to us in the ''Nirvāna''-''Shatkam -'' मनोबुद्ध्यहङकार चित्तानि नाहं (''mano buddhi ahankāra chittāni nāham''''').''' This is the fundamental principle - whatever we experience, we are not that. And this doesn't require faith in the scriptures. This requires a little bit of deep thinking, that is sufficient.
so therefore no problem
 
Mithya means our mind superimposes
2) Now what is the second? Related to this principle, '''Whatever qualities belong to the experienced object, they belong to that object, they do not belong to us.''' For example, if a tree is green, if a mango is yellow, banana is yellow, a sweet has got sweet taste - it belongs to the sweet, it belongs to the mango, it belongs to the tree. A beautiful house - that beautifulness, beauty, belongs to the house, it doesn't belong to us.
and misunderstands
 
and mistakes
That's why people say, if I have a beautiful house then, I become beautiful - No you don't become beautiful. If I have a first class spring mattress, or water bed, I will be happy person. You may not be because many people find, to their consternation, that when they buy, spending a lot of money, they can't sleep. They used to sleep soundly before on an old bed, and an old mattress. And with an old blanket, smelly blanket, they get much better sleep than on a spring mattress.
and suffers
 
and that process is called Mithya
How do you know? You go to some new place, perhaps your friend or relative. They are very well to do, they will give you a huge bed, and it will take a long time… And most of us have experienced it. New place, and new house, new bed, new cloths, we are not familiar, so they can create problems.
so what is the point
 
there is no world excepting Brahman
So the qualities belonging to an experienced object, belong to them. Apply it to both, to the body and mind. If the body is sick, I am not sick. If the mind is happy or unhappy, I am not happy or unhappy. That was the idea ''Bhagavan Krishna'' wanted to convey in the ''Bhagavad Gita,'' second chapter -
but don't say that the world doesn't exist
 
so long as we are in ignorance
…शीतोष्णसुखदु:खदा: |
it is very real
 
and since it is real
आगमापायिनोऽनित्यास्तांस्तितिक्षस्व भारत ||
we have to behave as if it is real
 
I will come to the point very soon
…''śhītoṣhṇa-sukha-duḥkha-dāḥ''।
so the second chapter is called Vaithatya Prakarna
 
Tatya means truth
''āgamāpāyino ’nityās tāns-titikṣhasva bhārata'' ||2/14||
remember Buddha that is Siddhartha
 
he attained self-realization
So this is the second point. Very important point!
he was called thereafter Tathagataha
 
Tatha means just as it is
Third point, even more important point. What was the first one? Whatever we experience is not us. Whatever I experience is not me. Second, whatever qualities belong to an experienced object, whatever I am experiencing, belongs to that object not to me. Since I experience my mind, so the changes, the qualities, the feelings, that the mind is experiencing belong to the mind, to the ''antahkarana,'' not to me.
he understood I am Brahman
 
Tatha Agataha
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he attained to that realization
 
Tatha means what
3) Third, '''there is a fundamental truth, the existence of an object totally depends upon me'''. Suppose I am looking at you, you are looking at a tree - but for me you exist, but for you the tree exists. You are not looking at me. You are looking intently, with concentration upon any object, and your mind… in your mind only that object exists. Whereas in my mind only you exist. And the moment you turn your attention to me, I exist in your mind. But the moment I turn my mind towards the object, which you are intently looking, you do not exist for me, only that object exists for me. And therefore, when I think of you, you exist. When I don't, or when I am thinking something else, then you do not exist. Or no second object exists.
Yatha just as he is
 
and what is he
If I am aware of one particular object, and there is a fundamental law here, '''the mind can think of only one object at any given time'''. That means excepting that one particular object, which I am thinking of, the whole world is lost. I don't even know that it exists. So, this is - the experienced object totally depends upon me, who is the experiencer.
he is Brahman
 
that is what he understood
In this world, if anybody says an object exists, that must have been either experienced in the past, or being experienced right now, or is going to be experienced in future. No object can ever claim to exist, or we cannot claim the existence of an object if nobody experienced it. This is the third fundamental principle.
so Tatya in Sanskrit means truth
 
and anything opposite to Tatya
4) But there is also a fourth fundamental point. What is it? '''Every object that we experience is subject to time, subject to change.''' You see a baby today. See the same person after 10 years, after 50 years, or after 100 years. Then the person is changing, every single second, the person is changing. And with the change of the person, the qualities of that person are also changing. And it is very fundamental.
is called Vitatya
 
Vitatya
Because supposing there are two people in love, a young man and a young woman. And what is their idea? ‘We will be very happy if we can be together with each other’. But what is the fact? The fact is why do the young man… why does the young man like the young woman, and vice versa? They see certain things. This young man is strong, beautiful, well to do, talented, in a high position, and the young man looks very beautiful, very sweet, very humble, very loving etc.
that is absolute opposite of truth
 
untruth
But remember, a change will come. And even that change, I don't say bad change, suppose the fellow does something wrong, and the wife shouts after marriage. And then the fellow says, ‘Oh, you used to love me so much, why are you shouting?’ The fellow is irrational, mad. He doesn't understand that she has not stopped loving, but she wants to correct him. You have done something wrong, she might even shout at this person. But he mistakes, love means only smiling, sweet words etc. etc.
opposite of truth is untruth
 
and in Sanskrit because of certain grammatical rules
Now what is the point we are taking? Every object is changing, and the perceiver, the sense organs, the mind through which we are experiencing. Why? Because they are also objects. My body which I use as an instrument to experience the world, of course along with the mind. Without mind body doesn't work, sense organs do not work. Mind also is changing.
Tatya means truth
 
its opposite is called Vaithatya
So the same object, which has become very dear to me at a particular place, at a particular time, may be completely opposite at another time, at another place. So every object is changing.
that means Mithya
 
because remember
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Mithya cannot exist without Satyam
 
if there were to be no rope
Let us remember these four fundamental truths of ''Vedānta''. What are those truths?
there would be no snake
 
if there were to be no dry sand
# Whatever I experience (and you apply it as each one of us), whatever I experience, that is unreal. Because its very existence depends upon me. That is, I am not the object. Whatever I experience, I am not the object.
there would be no mirage
# And we never experience any object without the qualities. if it is a tree, or a flower, a beautiful flower. It is a yellow coloured flower, it is sweet smelling, yellow rose, for example. So that yellow colour, that rosy smell, fragrant, rosy fragrance, everything belongs to that. So it belongs to that object. Therefore I am not the rose, I am not that rosy perfume. And those qualities belong to that. They don't belong to me. That is the second fundamental principle.
if there were to be no hair
# Third is, without my taking notice that rose for example, that sweet for example, that beautiful house for example, that beautiful person for example, they have no existence at all. That is the third fundamental principle.
the hair
# What is the fourth one? So if I have seen a beautiful, fragrant, attractive rose in the morning. If I see it in the afternoon, it is fading already, and the perfume is becoming less. And after one day, or the same day, it may not give the same thing. And it may even give some nasty smell. So it is completely changing.
what is called horns of habit
 
will not exist
So let us remember, I am repeating so many times -
if a woman does not exist
 
she will not be called
* Whatever I experience is not me.
what we call barren woman
* And we cannot experience any object without its qualities. In fact we don't experience any object. We only experience the qualities - tall, short, stout, coloured, and fragrant, sweet, very soft etc. etc. So, whatever qualities we experience belong to that object. Whatever object we experience is not me.
the truth is always there
* What is the third? The existence of the object totally depends upon me.
but we mistake the truth
* What is the fourth? Every object that I experience changes all the time. All the time!
and that is called Vaithatya
 
in the second chapter
Now what are we talking about? In this second chapter, ''Vaitathya'' ''Prakaranam, Gaudapāda'' takes the example of the dream. What is it?
I think there are about 38 Karikas
 
and all the Karikas
# I experience the dream therefore I am not the dream, first,  
only talk about
# I experience I have varied experiences, pleasant and unpleasant, and they all belong to the objects that I experienced in the dream. Therefore they belong to that state, that object. But since I am not that object, the qualities also belong to that object. Therefore, I am not those qualities, I am not that object, I am not those qualities.
the world is unreal
# What is the third one? If I dream of a tree, only the tree is real so long as the dream lasts, everything else is unreal. And the next moment, when I experience a person… the person is real so long as I continue to experience, and the tree is forgotten, in fact the whole world is forgotten. That is the third fundamental fact.
and that is what Gaudapada wants to prove
# Fourth, even in dream you can see a baby, you can feel that when you went, even after one hour, even after one minute, already the baby is one minute old, one hour old, one day old. Changing is there. Remember these things
how is he going to prove
 
for that he takes the example of dream
So with those understandings, now if we compare… What did we say? That when we are in the waking state - waking state is real, dream state is unreal. When we are in the dream state - dream state is real, and every other state, what are the.. Every other means waking as well as deep sleep - both are unreal. There are three states. When we happen to be in one state both the other two states are unreal.
now we have to understand
 
a few concepts
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how he comes
 
or how Advaita comes to this example
Naturally, we think that waking alone is real. ''Gaudapāda'' wants to point out, through the example of the dream, that just as dream is properly understood in the waking state, the waking state is no different from the dream in every aspect, in every respect. But we consider the waking as the standard, as the reality even though it doesn't fulfill all the conditions of reality.
once we understand
 
we can sail through this chapter
What is it? First of all it should not, something that is truth…
very quickly
 
so Gaudapada takes the example of dream
* Truth is truth, whether we experience or not.
we all know
* Truth is truth, it never changes.
supposing yesterday night
* Truth is truth, it is not bound by time, space, or causation.
you had a dream
* Even when I don't experience something, truth remains truth.
and remember these vital points
 
so long as you are in the dream state
And that is what he wants to draw. The next point is, we know that dream is a dream in the waking state. But waking state we think as real, for many reasons, which we will talk about in the future. But waking state itself becomes like dream state when we wake up from, this so called, experienced waking state.
it is not a dream
 
it is not seeming dream
What is that waking state? When I forget my subject, I am the experiencer, and mix ‘I the experiencer’ with the experienced and identify with the experienced, then all these problems will come. But when through spiritual practice, I happen to separate myself from all these three states, and identify myself as something which is separate, what is called अवस्था त्रय विलक्षण (Avasthā Traya Vilakshana), completely separate from these three, then I understand. That means all the qualities of the three states.
it is not Mithya
 
it is absolute truth
What are they? Depend-ability, experience-ability, change-ability, coming and going-ability - all these things I do not have because I am totally opposite to all those things. So when I happen to wake up to my real nature, which is called ''Turiyam,'' ''Ātman, Brahman,'' God, whatever name you put, then all those other states, and their problems will be completely solved. How they are solved also we will talk about it in our next class. But what I wanted to emphasize is, this is a beautiful logic.
but when you wake up
 
then you laugh and say
So the second chapter is called ''Vaitathya'' ''Prakarana.'' That is, everything that has these four characteristics…
what I experienced was nothing but
 
certain
What are they? Experience-ability; and experience-ability, along with the qualities; and then depend-ability upon. my perceiving that object; and change-ability all the time. All these four are characteristics of whatever is experienced - ''Vishaya''. But not the qualities of the ''Vishayi.''
what we call actualized facts
 
thoughts
When I am in the waking I am the same. Like I am in the room number one, and I move to room number two, I move to room number three, and I come out of all the three rooms, stand outside. I am the same person. But then I forget myself and identify with the first room, I feel very bad because this is an unclean room. I feel very happy because there are all objects of enjoyability in the second room. And in the third room, it is completely dark and therefore I don't experience anything. And nobody disturbs, no happiness or unhappiness will be there. What am I talking about? This is ''Sushupti'' state.
not facts
 
thoughts
But when I come out of all the three rooms, it is pure light. I know I was identifying with those three rooms but I am not of these three rooms. And those three rooms which when I experience, exist and when I do not experience they do not exist. All those four characteristics are there (you please remember them) and I am free from all those four characteristics.
some thoughts have come
 
and we think
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that those thoughts
 
are actually reality
And to prove these four characteristics, that is whatever I experience; and whatever qualities an experienced object has; and the depend-ability of that object upon my perceiving it, and my keeping it in mind, and so long as I keep; and its change-ability - all these four are not my nature. That is the nature of the object. That is called ''Vaitathya.''
for example
 
you might dream
Whichever object has got these four characteristics - experience-ability, quality, changefulness, and observe-ability, or experience-ability - all these four characteristics together is called ''Vaitathya.'' That means that is not my real nature. For that we have to wake up.
that you have come to Varanasi
 
maybe you are in Calcutta
Why this chapter? It is to say ''Prapancha Upashamam'' explanation - the whole ''Jagat'' is an object, it is experienced, depends upon me, it is changing all the time, and changes from happiness to unhappiness, unhappiness to happiness. That is what binds us really. And if we can, through reason, can prove this one, reason also can prove what the ''Upanishads'' are talking about, the ''Mithyatvam'', ''Asatyatvam'' of this ''Brahman'', what is called this world, in other words, then the purpose is served.
or in Bangalore
 
in Mumbai
So in all these, I think 38 ''Kārikās'', we have this, what we call, these four characteristics of the world we are continuously experiencing. 
but you might dream
 
you might be
Once we understand that we are not what we experience, naturally the curiosity comes, who are we? The simple answer is whatever this experienced object has, I don't have that one. And by that reason I am eternal, I am unborn, I am changeless, and I am the Infinite, then there is no second other than me. And that ''Advaita Anubhuti'' is described in the third chapter
very fond of
 
you must have heard about Kashi
And the objectors, like us, bring so many objections. And they have been refuted thoroughly (of course, from the ''Advaitins'' viewpoint, ''dvaitins'' don't accept all of them). So that is dealt with in the fourth ''Alātashanti Prakaranam.''
and you want to visit
 
or you visited
This is the brief introduction into this ''Vaitathya'' ''Prakaranam.'' And from next class onwards we will plunge into them. As I mentioned earlier, if you have understood the introduction I have given you, especially of the four characteristics of the world, entire world, because all objects together is called the world, it will be very easy for us. The rest is only some examples etc. We can easily sail through these 38 ''Kārikās'', they are all ''Gaudapāda’s.'' From now onwards second chapter, third chapter, fourth chapter are only ''Gaudapāda’s'' ''Kārikās'' with ''Shankara'' ''Bhāshya.'' Of course, as usual, I will give you ''Shankara'' ''Bhāshya.'' With this I will be stopping today.  
and you liked it very much
 
you are thinking about it
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in dream
you find yourself
but then when you wake up
you find exactly in the same place
the places you have seen
the people you have met
the events that have taken place
everything has taken place
that has taken place in your dream
is absolutely
appears to be real
so long as
you are in the dream
but the moment you wake up
in comparison
you will see
that it is all
unreal
because you find yourself
waking up
in the place
where you were
before you started to dream
now that is a marvelous example
similarly
we think
we have
we cherish
a wrong notion
that dream is a dream
waking state is real
and there are certain reasons for that
what are the reasons
first reason is
we are judging the dream
from the standpoint of waking
but we are not
capable of judging the waking state
from the standpoint of the dream
and of course
not at all possible
in deep sleep
so this is the
first mistake we commit
and the second mistake we commit is
that everyday
we have different dreams
not only everyday
the same night
same day also
daytime also
we can fall asleep
even while you are listening to my talk
some of you
for a second
for a few seconds
will be thinking of something else
and you missed the class
and then
you are in a dream state
only it is called daydream
because you realize quickly
my thoughts are wandering
but there is absolutely no difference at all
the effect is the same
you miss the class
whether it is a night dream
or daydream
you miss the waking state
that is called a dream state
ok
so
we are judging
that dreams are changing
same dream rarely we see
but
the waking state
whenever we come
out of the dream state
we find ourselves
exactly
in the same waking state
same city
same parents
same house
same family members
same office
same work
same everything
this is
one of the greatest delusions in the world
so
to counter that one
Gaudapada
or Advaita Vedanta
crystal clearly
gives two opposite reasons
one reason
and there are other reasons
which I will come later on
so one reason that they give is
supposing you have the same night
same dream
every day
every night
then you will not
you will get confused
what is the dream
and what is the waking
as there is comparison
compare and contrast
we will find it very difficult
and many times
we find it very difficult
this was what Shri Ram Krishna was trying to convey
through the story of that
Gnani farmer
who was married
who had only son
and his son died
his wife sent news
immediately he came
but there was no show of grief at all
and she got angry because
she deducted
that he was not loving
his son and his family
and by proxy
it means he doesn't love me also
in fact it is true
supposing instead of the son
or along with the son
the house got burnt
and the wife also died
you have to extend
he will not shed tears
supposing
it may look
his example may look cruel
supposing
he also is burnt
his body is getting burnt
because he was a Gnani
he will simply smile and say
this body is also
like a dream
so the farmer gives explanation
dear
yesterday night I had a dream
I found myself
I was a king
I had a beautiful wife
I don't know how far
this is not what Ram Krishna says
I am adding some spice to that
and I had 7
beautiful sons
educated sons
intelligent sons
in brackets
unlike this monkey faced one
that we have
beautiful queen
unlike you
but as soon as my
dream broke
I find myself in this
so when I enter into the dream state
waking state becomes unreal
when I come out of the dream state
dream becomes unreal
what was the point
we should not forget
if anyone of us
and there are a rare few
if the same dream
every night
happens
you find exactly the events
yesterday
today
and before yesterday
then we will really get confused
so
this is the first reason
just because everyday
different dreams come
doesn't mean
that is unreal
it doesn't mean
waking state is real
what is the second reason
second reason is
when we are in the waking state
dream state is unreal
we forget
the same is true
when we are in the dream state
waking state
also becomes nullified
we don't apply that logic
we should apply that logic
this is the second reason
third reason
and many times I mentioned it
one of the
fundamental principles of Vedanta
whatever we
experience
not we
I cannot stop repeating it
empty number of times
because this is the truth
there are a few truths are there
with regard to this
what is it
whatever we experience
suppose you see a house
you don't say I am the house
suppose you experience a car
you don't say I am the car
so whatever we experience
and by experience I mean
whatever we see through the
experience through the
five sense organs
whatever sounds we hear
we don't say I am the sound
we don't say I am the smell
we don't say I am the taste
we don't say I am the touch
whatever we experience
is not we
and we all understand it
and we behave accordingly
but we also get lost
if it is somebody's house
it doesn't affect us
if it is my house
I practically become my house
if somebody damaged my
house, bombed my house
or put it on fire
and I get angry
I feel like killing that
person if I can get him
so this is one
but when
it comes to
the body
I am the body
and I have a body
they interplay
similarly with regard to the mind
they interplay
if there is a thought of happiness
I say I am happy
if there is a thought of
unhappiness or suffering
I say I am
unhappy but for
the second fundamental principle
what was the first
whatever we experience
is not we
we experience body and mind
we are not the body mind
and that was the fact
truth Shankaracharya
wants to convey
to us in the Nirvana Shatkam
Mano Udyahankara
Chittaninam
this is the fundamental principle
whatever we experience we are not that
and this doesn't require
faith in the scriptures
this requires a little bit of
deep thinking that is sufficient
now what is the second
related to this
principle whatever
qualities belong to
the experienced
object they belong to
that object they do not
belong to us for example
if a tree is green
if a mango is
yellow banana is
yellow a sweet has got
sweet taste
it belongs to the
sweet it belongs
to the mango it belongs
to the tree
a beautiful house
that beautifulness
beauty belongs to the
house it doesn't belong to us
that's why people say
if I have a beautiful house
and I become beautiful no you don't
become beautiful if I have
a first class spring
mattress or water bed
I will be happy
person you may not be because
many people find to their
consternation
that when they buy spending a lot
of money they can't sleep
they used to sleep soundly
before and an old bed
and an old mattress
and with an old blanket smelly
blanket they get much better
sleep than on a
spring mattress how do you know
you go to some new place
perhaps your friend or relative
very well to do
they will give you a huge bed
and it will take a long time
and most of us
have experienced it new place
and new house new bed
new cloths
we are not familiar
so they can create problems
so the
qualities belonging to an
experienced object belong
to them apply it if
they to both to the body and
mind if the body is sick
I am not sick if the
mind is happy or unhappy
I am not happy or unhappy
that was the idea
Bhagavan Krishna wanted to convey in the
Bhagavad Gita second chapter
so this is the second point
very important point
third point
even more important point
what was the first one
whatever we experience is
not us
whatever I experience is not me
second whatever qualities
belong to an experienced
object whatever I am
experiencing belongs to that
object not to me
since I experience my mind
so the changes
the qualities the feelings
that the mind is
experiencing belong to the
mind to the antahkarana
not to me third
there is a fundamental truth
the existence
of an object totally
depends upon me
suppose I am looking at you you are
looking at a tree
but for me
you exist but for
you the tree exists
you are not looking at me
you are looking intently
with concentration upon
any object
and your mind in your mind
only that object exists
whereas in my mind only
you exist and the
moment you turn
your attention to me
I exist in your mind
but the moment I turn my mind
towards the object which
you are intently looking
you do not exist for me
only that object exists for me
and therefore
when I think of you
you exist when I don't
or when I am thinking something else
then you do not exist
or no second
object exists
if I am aware
of one particular object
and there is a
fundamental law here
the mind can only think
of only one object
at any given time
that means accepting
that one particular object
which I am thinking of
the whole world is
lost I don't even know that it
exists so
this is the
experienced object
totally depends upon me
who is the experiencer
in this world
if anybody says
an object exists
that must have been either
experienced in the past
or being experienced
right now or is going to
be experienced in future
no object can ever
claim to exist
or we cannot claim
the existence of an object
if nobody experienced it
this is the third fundamental principle
but there is also
a fourth fundamental
point
what is it?
that we experience
is subject to time
subject to change
you see a baby
today see the same
person
after 10 years
after 50 years
or after 100 years
then the person is changing
every single second
the person is changing
and with the change of the person
the qualities of that person
are changing
and it is very fundamental
because supposing there are two people
in love a young man
a young woman
and what is their idea
we will be very happy
if we can be together
with each other
but what is the fact
the fact is why do
the young man
why does the young man like the young woman
and vice versa
this young man
is strong, beautiful
well to do
talented in a high position
and the young man looks
very beautiful
very sweet, very humble
very loving etc
but remember
a change will come
and even that change
I don't say bad change
suppose the fellow does something wrong
and the wife shouts after marriage
and then
the fellow says
oh you used to love me so much
why are you shouting
the fellow is irrational
mad
he doesn't understand
that she has not stopped
loving but she wants
to correct him
you have done something wrong
she might even shouted this person
but he mistakes
love means only smiling
sweet words etc
what is the point we are taking
every object is changing
and the perceiver
the sense organs
the mind through which we are
experiencing
why because they are also objects
my body which
I use as an instrument
to experience the world
of course along with the mind
without mind body doesn't work
sense organs do not work
mind also is changing
so the same object
which has become very dear to me
at a particular place
at a particular time
may be completely
opposite at another time
at another place
so every object is changing
let us remember
these four fundamental
truths of Vedanta
what are those truths
whatever
I experience and you apply it as
each one of us
whatever I experience
that is unreal
because its very existence
is depends
upon me
that is I am not the object
whatever I experience
I am not the object
and we never experience any object
without the qualities
if it is a
tree or a flower
a beautiful flower
it is yellow colored flower
it is sweet smelling
yellow rose for example
so that yellow
color that
rosy smell
fragrant rosy fragrance
everything belongs to that
so it belongs to that
object therefore
I am not the rose
I am not that rosy
perfume
those qualities belong to that
they don't belong to me
that is the second fundamental principle
third is
without my taking notice
that rose for example
that sweet for example
that beautiful house for example
that beautiful person for example
they have no existence at all
that is the third fundamental principle
what is the fourth one
so if I have seen
a beautiful
fragrant attractive
rose in the morning
if I see it in the afternoon
it is fading already
and the perfume is becoming less
and after one day
or the same day
it may not give the same thing
and it may even give
some nasty smell
so it is completely changing
so let us remember
I am repeating so many times
whatever I experience is not me
and we cannot experience
any object without its qualities
in fact we don't experience
any object
we only experience the qualities
tall, short
stout, coloured
and fragrant
sweet, very soft
etc etc
so
whatever qualities we experience
belong to that object
whatever object we experience
is not me
what is the third
the existence of the object
totally depends upon me
what is the fourth
every object that I experience
changes
all the time
all the time
now what are we talking about
in this second chapter
Vaithathya Prakaranam
Gaudapada takes the
example of the dream
what is it, I experience
the dream therefore I am not the dream
first, I experience
I have varied experiences
pleasant and unpleasant
and they all belong
to the objects that I
experienced in the dream
therefore they belong
to that state, that object
but
since I am not that object
the qualities also belong to that object
therefore
I am not those qualities
I am not that object
I am not those qualities
what is the third one
if I dream of a tree
only the tree is real
so long as the dream lasts
everything else is unreal
and the next moment
when I experience a person
the person is real
so long as I continue
to experience
and the tree is forgotten
the world is forgotten
that is the third fundamental fact
fourth, even in dream
you can see a baby
you can feel that when you went
even after one hour
even after one minute
already the baby is one minute old
one hour old
one day old
changing is there
remember these things
so with those understandings
now if we compare
we say that when we are
in the waking state
waking state is real
dream state is unreal
when we are in the dream state
dream state is real
and every other state
what are the every other means
waking as well as deep sleep
both are unreal
there are three states
when we happen to be in one state
both the other two states
are unreal
similarly we think that
waking alone is real
Gaudapada wants to point out
through the example of the dream
that just as dream
is properly understood
in the waking state
the waking state is no different
from the dream
in every aspect
but
we consider
the waking as the standard
as the reality
even though it doesn't fulfill
all the conditions of reality
what is it?
first of all should not something
that is truth
truth is truth whether we experience or not
truth is truth
it never changes
truth is truth
it is not bound by time
space or causation
even when I don't experience something
truth remains truth
and that is what
Gaudapada wants to draw
the next point is
we know that dream is a dream
in the waking state
but waking state we think as real
for many reasons
which we will talk about it in future
but waking state itself
becomes like
dream state
when we wake up
from this so called
experienced waking state
what is that waking state?
when I
forget my subject
I am the experiencer
and mix
I the experiencer
with the experienced
and identify with the experienced
then all these problems
will come
but when through spiritual practice
I happen to separate myself
from all these three states
and identify myself
as something
which is separate
what is called
Avastha Traya Vilakshana
completely separate
from these three
then I understand that means
all the qualities of the three states
what are they?
dependability
experienceability
changeability
coming and going ability
all these things I do not have
because I am totally
opposite to all those things
so when I
happen to wake up
to my real nature
which is called Turiyam
Atman, Brahman
God, whatever name you put
then
all those other states
and their problems
will be completely
solved, how they are solved
also we will talk about it
in our next class
but what I wanted to emphasize is
this is a beautiful
logic, so the second
chapter is called
Vaithatya Prakarana
that is everything
that has these four characteristics
what are they?
experienceability
and experienceability
along with the qualities
and then dependability
upon my
perceiving that object
and changeability
all the time, all these
four are characteristics
of whatever is
experienced Vishaya
but not the qualities
of the Vishayi
when I am in the waking
I am the same
like I am in the room number
one and I move to room
number two, I move to room
number three and I come out
of all the three rooms
and outside I am
the same person
but when I forget myself
and identify with the
first room
I feel very bad because
this is unclean room
I feel very happy
because there are all objects of
enjoyability in the second room
and in the third room it is
completely dark and
therefore I don't experience anything
and nobody disturbs
no happiness or unhappiness
will be there, what am I talking about
this is Shuddhi state
but when I come out of
all the three rooms, it is
pure light, I know
I was identifying
with those three rooms but
I am not of these three
rooms and
those three rooms
which when I experience
exist and when I do
not experience, they do
not exist, all those
four characteristics
are there, you please remember them
and I am free
from all those four characteristics
and to prove
these four
characteristics, that
is whatever I experience
and whatever qualities
an experienced object has
and the dependability of
that object upon my
perceiving it and
my keeping it in mind
and so long as I keep
and its changeability
all these
four are
not my nature
that is the nature of
the object, that is called
Vaithatya, whichever object
has got these four characteristics
experienceability
quality, changefulness
and observability
or experienceability
all these four characteristics
together is called
Vaithatya, that means
that is not they, my real
nature, for that
we have to wake up, why
this chapter? It is to say
Prapancha Upashamam
explanation, the whole
Jagat is an object
is experienced, depends upon
me, it is changing all the time
and change happiness
from unhappiness, unhappiness
to happiness, that
is what binds us really
and if we can
through reason, can
prove this one, reason also
can prove what the
Upanishads are talking
about, the Mithyatvam
Asatyatvam of this
Brahman, what is
called this world, in other words
then the purpose
is served, so in all these
I think 38 Karikas
we have this, what we
call these
four characteristics of the
world, we are continuously
experiencing, once we
understand that we are
not what we experience
naturally the curiosity comes
who are we?
The simple answer is whatever
this experienced
object has, I
don't have that one and
by that reason
I am eternal, I am
unborn, I am changeless
and I am the infinite
then there is no second other
than me and that
Advaita Anubhuti
is described in the third chapter
and the objectors
like us bring so
many objections and they
have been refuted thoroughly
of course from the Advaitins viewpoint
Advaitins don't accept
all of them, so
that is dealt with
fourth Alatha Shanti
Prakaranam, this is the brief
introduction into this
Vaithanthiya Prakaranam and
from next class onwards we
will plunge into them, as
I mentioned earlier, if you
have understood the introduction
I have given you, especially
of the four characteristics
of the world,
entire world, because all objects
together is called the world
it will be very easy for us
the rest is only
some examples etc
we can easily sail
through these 38
karikas, they are all Gaudapadas
from now onwards
second chapter, third chapter
fourth chapter are only Gaudapada
karikas with Shankara Bhashya
of course as usual
I will give you Shankara Bhashya
with this I will be stopping
today, there are any question
or answers, let us discuss
there. Om Jananim
Shardam Devim Ramakrishnam
Jagat Gurum Pada Padme
Tayo Sritva Pranamami
Mohur Mohuhu
May Ramakrishna, Holy Mother
and Swami Vivekananda
bless us all with Bhakti
Ramakrishna


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Full Transcript(corrected)

From today, we are going to enter into the second chapter of the Māndukya Upanishad. The first chapter consists of 12 mantrās and 29 Kārikās of the Gaudapāda. And it is called Āgama Prakarana. Prakarana means chapter. The chapter called Āgama. Āgama means scriptures. That is the Vedās, the Upanishads, the Shruti. So, with the first chapter, both - the Upanishad is also over, and the explanation by both Gaudapāda and Shankarāchārya, both are over.

Now Shankarāchārya has a commentary both on the Upanishad as well as Gaudapāda’s Kārikās, which are 29. So now, from now onwards… As I mentioned earlier, this Māndukya Kārikā has four chapters -

  1. Āgama Prakaranam
  2. Vaitathya Prakaranam
  3. Advaita Prakaranam
  4. and Alatashanti Prakaranam.

Now onwards, second, third and fourth chapters are purely Gaudapādāchārya’s explanation. And especially the explanation of the seventh mantra of the Māndukya Upanishad.

What is the seventh mantra? As we have seen, it is the description of Turiyam or Brahman.

Remember, the second mantra says सोऽयमात्मा (so 'yamātmā), that is, You in your real nature is none other than that Ātmā. But one has to realise it.

And in order to describe what is that Ātmā and what is not really Ātmā, mantras 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 are given. Mantrās of the Māndukya Upanishad.

  • In the third, the condition or the description of the waking state.
  • In the fourth, the description of the dream state.
  • In the fifth, the description of the deep sleep, from the individual point of view called Prājna point of view is given.
  • And the mantra number 6 gives us the description of the deep sleep state, Sushupti Avastha, from the viewpoint of the universe, cosmic, that is Īshwara.

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But each one of us are Ātmans and that description of the Ātman - it is neither the waking state, nor the dream state, nor the deep sleep state, nor in between states, not simple consciousness, and not unconsciousness etc. has been given. One part of the seventh mantra gives not this, not this, not this, not this. But the second part it says, it is Shāntam, Shivam, Advaitam, Prapancha-upashamam etc.

So many words are there which we have dealt with. But of these words, two words are most important -

  • One is called Advaitam - Ātman or Turiyam or Brahman is what we call Advaitam - One without a second!
  • And Prapancha-upashamam - Upashamam means when everything becomes absolutely quiescent, that is to say it doesn't exist.

When the world is transcended, what does that mean? What does the word transcendent mean? It means like a drop of water that is mixed up with a river or a stream. The stream gets mixed up with the river, and the river gets mixed up with the ocean, and that is its nature. And instead of saying, ‘I am a drop’, it identifies ‘I am a stream’, and then next step, ‘I am a river’, much broader, much greater, much more powerful. And finally ‘I am the ocean’, the infinite, the incomparable etc. This is called Upashamam.

Upashamam doesn't mean destruction. Upashamam means expand, go on expanding until one becomes the infinite. And that is the truth this seventh mantra wants to tell. That is called Prapancha-upashamam and it goes by another name. It is called mithyātvam.

Mithyā means, I am going to explain what is this word Mithyā. And people like us, we go on hearing lectures and then we misinterpret. A popular example is a person in semi-darkness mistakes a rope. But he doesn't say I am mistaking a rope. He says for me the snake alone is the truth, until light is brought, and then the real nature of the snake is revealed. These words are very important. So please listen carefully.

When we are perceiving the snake - snake alone is real.

Similarly when we are perceiving the world, world alone is real.

But we perceive the world not in one way, in a way of speaking, conflicting way we perceive. What do I mean? Each living creature experiences continuously one after the other three states - waking, dream and sleep. And whichever state we are in, for any given length of time, that state alone is the reality, and other states become unreal. Because in contrast, the other states are not even considered real.

Simple example, in dream so long as we are dreaming, dream is not dream, it’s absolute reality. But as soon as we wake up, then only, from the waking standpoint - then we understand that it is not real at all. So we have got to…

When I was giving the example of the rope and snake, so long as we don't know anything else, then, it is not a Mithyā snake, it is a real snake. But the moment light is brought what happens? As if we enter into the waking state, and then we see this is a rope.

And what does it do? Prapancha-upashamam! That is Rajju-upashamam! That is to say the fear, and the scare, and the heartbeat, and all sorts of sufferings - they all come to an end, as soon as we know the truth. And that is what is conveyed with this word Prapancha-upashamam.

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The point to be noted down here is until we realise the truth, until we are in the state of truth, until we realise Brahman alone is real, to know God as real, to know Brahman as real, and I am that reality, is called realisation. Until we enter, it is all intellectual, it doesn't help us much. A little bit definitely, not much. So that is what we want to understand.

So three words are very important. We already know but we have to recollect it again. What are those three words? Sat, Asat and Mithyā. And this is very very important.

First of all, what is Sat? The definition is given that which remains as it is without any change, that is Satyam - त्रिकालबाधित सत्यम् (trikāla-abādhitam-satyam).

What we need to understand is time means change. So there is a baby, and the baby grows up every single minute, and it happens… That single minute means we are counting time. Therefore time means change. But that which is the reality never changes.

Another example to make this point clear. There is clay, and at some point somebody decides to shape it into a pot. And that which was shapeless, formless, now acquires a form, acquires a new name. And it takes time to transform that lumpy clay into a form, special form. So this pot immediately becomes what is called a slave to time, to space, to causation - Desha, Kāla, Nimitta. But the clay ever remains absolutely exactly the same.

With this illustration what do we need to understand? The whole world is like the pot. But Brahman is like the clay. What is important? There is no second object, independent object, called pot. It was clay, it is clay, it will be clay. Before the pot was made it was clay. When the pot is made that is clay. And when the pot is destroyed that will be clay only. No change has taken place in the clay. All changes took place in the Nāma Rūpa and Prayojana.

So whatever doesn't change is called Sat. That's why the word Satyam came from the word Sat. That's why Brahman is characterized as Sat, Chit and Ānanda.

Then we realize that God, Brahman doesn't change. He is beyond time, space.

And beyond time means eternity.

Beyond space means infinity.

Those very words, अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं.. न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे (ajo nityah sasvato 'yam.. na hanyate hanyamāne śharīre)

Ajaha - not born, that means not subject to time at all. Nitya - eternal, Śāśvata - eternal. No change is there. That is called Satyam. That is the word we use Sat - existence. Existence can become a mountain, existence can become a river, but existence will not undergo any change. Seemingly it undergoes a change. That's all! Seemingly!

Now the next word we have to understand is Asat. What does Asat mean? Non-existence!

So is there something, called a second object, called non-existence? Simply non-existence is non-existence. It doesn't exist at all.

Words are there but there is no corresponding object. As an example, the son of a barren woman, वंध्यापुत्र (vandhyāputra); and the horns of a rabbit. So they do not exist. We can use words, these words are meaningless. So, we need not talk about Asat because such a thing never exists. it doesn't trouble us because it doesn't exist.

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But there is a category which is appearing for some time, and disappearing after some time. That is, it is changing all the time. It is subject to time, space and causation. That is, in full dark, full light, something is a rope. There is a rope, but in semi-darkness we think no change is taking place in the rope. All change takes place in our brains. So the object is not changing, but it is the idea, understanding, knowledge that is changing. First it was rope, then it is a snake, then the snake also changes into the rope. No change takes place in the rope, all changes take place in our minds.

So, Mithyā means that - misunderstanding something as something else. And this misunderstanding is in our brains, in our minds, in our buddhi, that is called Mithyā. So when we say Jagat is mithyā. There is no Jagat actually, just as there is no snake at all. What existed was rope, what exists is rope. So what existed, exists, will exist, that is called Brahman. Jagat is only a mistake in our minds.

And that temporarily mistaking Brahman or truth as something else is called superimposition. And superimposition takes place in time. And de-superimposition takes place also in time. And that is called Mithyā.

Now Gaudapāda wants to prove, in this second chapter, that the whole world which we take for granted, in the three states of waking, dreaming and sleeping, it is nothing but mithhyā. Mithyā means all the changes are taking place in our mind. No change is taking place. There is no such object called the world. There is only subject that is the Brahman.

And to make this point very clear I want to give an example. Suppose, imagine you are standing in front of a mirror. If the mirror is absolutely clean then you get your own reflection, very true reflection. By that you understand I am so and so. Remember that mirror is what we call our buddhi, antaḥkaraṇa. But if the mirror is dirty, and if the light also is semi, then we can mistake ourselves as a bhuta etc. So many things we can do. That is what we are doing.

So we are looking through our body (reflection of Brahman), through our mind (reflection of the Brahman). We must break these mirrors! Then we know that I have not become anything else, I do not identify with anything else.

So this word mithyā means seemingly real - seemingly real, seemingly beautiful, seemingly powerful, seemingly capable - these are all very tricky words. Seemingly means it is not true. Seemingly beautiful, means it is not true. Seemingly powerful, that means the person is not powerful at all.

And that is called Vaitathya - seemingly real, but in reality not true. It is false, that is called mithyā.

So Sat means that which never undergoes change. Asat means that never exists, so therefore no problem. Mithyā means our mind superimposes, and misunderstands, and mistakes, and suffers, and that process is called mithyā.

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So, what is the point? There is no world excepting Brahman. But don't say that the world doesn't exist. So long as we are in ignorance, it is very real. And since it is real we have to behave as if it is real. I will come to the point very soon.

So the second chapter is called Vaitathya-Prakarna. Tathya means truth.

Remember Buddha, that is Siddhārtha, when He attained self-realisation, He was called thereafter Tathāgataha. Tathā means just as it is. He understood I am Brahman -Tathā-āgataha - He attained to that realization. Tathā means what? Yathā just as He is. And what is He? He is Brahman! That is what He understood.

So, tathyam in Sanskrit we say, tathyam means truth. And anything opposite to tathyam is called Vitathya. Vi-tathyam - that is absolute opposite of truth, untruth. Opposite of truth is untruth. And in Sanskrit because of certain grammatical rules, tathyam means truth. It’s opposite is called vaitathyam, that means mithyā.

Because remember, Mithyā cannot exist without Satyam. If there were to be no rope, there would be no snake. If there were to be no dry sand, there would be no mirage. If there were to be no hare, the hare, what is called horns of rabbit will not exist. If a woman does not exist, she will not be called, what we call, barren woman. The truth is always there, but we mistake the truth, and that is called Vaitathya.

In the second chapter, I think there are about 38 Kārikās. And all the Kārikās only talk about - the world is unreal. And that is what Gaudapāda wants to prove. How is he going to prove? For that he takes the example of dream. Now we have to understand a few concepts. How he comes, or how Advaita comes to this example… once we understand we can sail through this chapter very quickly.

So Gaudapāda takes the example of dream. We all know, supposing yesterday night you had a dream… And remember these vital points - so long as you are in the dream state, it is not a dream. It is not seeming dream, it is not Mithya. It is absolute truth. But when you wake up, then you laugh and say, what I experienced was nothing, but certain, what we call actualized facts. Thoughts. Not facts - thoughts!

Some thoughts have come, and we think that those thoughts are actually reality. For example, you might dream that you have come to Vārānasi. Maybe you are in Calcutta, or in Bangalore, in Mumbai, but you might dream. You might be very fond of, you must have heard about Kāshi, and you want to visit. Or you visited, and you liked it very much, you are thinking about it. In dream you find yourself… But then when you wake up, you find exactly in the same place.

The places you have seen, the people you have met, the events that have taken place, everything has taken place, that has taken place in your dream is absolutely - appears to be real, so long as you are in the dream. But the moment you wake up, in comparison you will see that it is all unreal. Because you find yourself waking up in the place where you were before you started to dream. Now that is a marvelous example.

Similarly, we think we have, we cherish a wrong notion that dream is a dream, waking state is real, and there are certain reasons for that.

What are the reasons?

  1. First reason is we are judging the dream from the standpoint of waking, but we are not capable of judging the waking state from the standpoint of the dream. And of course not at all possible in deep sleep. So this is the first mistake we commit.
  2. And the second mistake we commit is that everyday we have different dreams. Not only everyday - the same night, same day also, daytime also, we can fall asleep.

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Even while you are listening to my talk, some of you, for a second, for a few seconds, will be thinking of something else, and you missed the class. And then you are in a dream state. Only it is called daydream, because you realize quickly, my thoughts are wandering. But there is absolutely no difference at all. The effect is the same. You miss the class, whether it is a night dream, or daydream. You miss the waking state, that is called a dream state.

Ok, so we are judging that dreams are changing. Same dream rarely we see. But the waking state, whenever we come out of the dream state, we find ourselves exactly in the same waking state. Same city, same parents, same house, same family members, same office, same work, same everything!

This is one of the greatest delusions in the world. So to counter that one, Gaudapāda, or Advaita Vedā, crystal clearly gives two opposite reasons, and there are other reasons, which I will come later on.

1) So one reason that they give is, supposing you have the same night, same dream every day, every night, then you will not…You will get confused, what is the dream, and what is the waking. As there is comparison, compare and contrast, we will find it very difficult. And many times we find it very difficult.

This was what Sri Rāmakrishna was trying to convey, through the story of that jnāni farmer, who was married, who had only son. And his son died, his wife sent news. Immediately he came, but there was no show of grief at all. And she got angry because she deducted that he was not loving his son and his family. And by proxy it means he doesn't love me also.

In fact it is true. Supposing instead of the son, or along with the son, the house got burnt, and the wife also died, you have to extend. He will not shed tears. Supposing, it may look, his example may look cruel. Supposing he also is burnt, his body is getting burnt. Because he was a Jnāni, he will simply smile and say, this body is also like a dream.

So the farmer gives explanation, ‘Dear, yesterday night I had a dream. I found myself, I was a king, I had a beautiful wife.’ I don't know how far… This is not what Sri Rāmakrishna says. I am adding some spice to that. ‘And I had 7 beautiful sons, educated sons, intelligent sons’, ( unlike this monkey faced one that we have ), a beautiful queen ( unlike you ) ‘but as soon as my dream broke I find myself in this’.

So, when I enter into the dream state - waking state becomes unreal. When I come out of the dream state - dream becomes unreal!

What was the point we should not forget? If anyone of us, and there are a rare few, if the same dream every night happens? You find, exactly, the events, yesterday, today, and day before yesterday - then we will really get confused. So, this is the first reason. Just because everyday different dreams come doesn't mean that is unreal. It doesn't mean waking state is real.

2) What is the second reason? Second reason is when we are in the waking state dream state is unreal. We forget, the same is true, when we are in the dream state - waking state also becomes nullified. We don't apply that logic. We should apply that logic. This is the second reason.

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3) Third reason, and many times I mentioned it. One of the fundamental principles of Vedānta - whatever we experience, is not we. I cannot stop repeating it umpteen number of times, because this is the truth. There are a few truths are there with regard to this. What is it? Whatever we experience…

Suppose you see a house, you don't say I am the house; suppose you experience a car, you don't say I am the car. So whatever we experience, and by experience I mean whatever we see through the experience, through the five sense organs. Whatever sounds we hear, we don't say I am the sound. We don't say I am the smell, we don't say I am the taste, we don't say I am the touch. Whatever we experience is not me.

And we all understand it, and we behave accordingly, but we also get lost. If it is somebody's house, somebody’s car, it doesn't affect us. If it is my house, I practically become my house. If somebody damaged my house, bombed my house, or put it on fire, and I get angry, I feel like killing that person if I can get him. So this is one.

But when it comes to the body - I am the body and I have a body - they interplay. Similarly, with regard to the mind - they interplay. If there is a thought of happiness, I say I am happy. If there is a thought of unhappiness or suffering, I say I am unhappy.

But for the second fundamental principle… What was the first?

1) Whatever we experience is not we. But since we experience body and mind - we are not the body mind. And that was the fact, truth, Shankarāchārya wants to convey to us in the Nirvāna-Shatkam - मनोबुद्ध्यहङकार चित्तानि नाहं (mano buddhi ahankāra chittāni nāham). This is the fundamental principle - whatever we experience, we are not that. And this doesn't require faith in the scriptures. This requires a little bit of deep thinking, that is sufficient.

2) Now what is the second? Related to this principle, Whatever qualities belong to the experienced object, they belong to that object, they do not belong to us. For example, if a tree is green, if a mango is yellow, banana is yellow, a sweet has got sweet taste - it belongs to the sweet, it belongs to the mango, it belongs to the tree. A beautiful house - that beautifulness, beauty, belongs to the house, it doesn't belong to us.

That's why people say, if I have a beautiful house then, I become beautiful - No you don't become beautiful. If I have a first class spring mattress, or water bed, I will be happy person. You may not be because many people find, to their consternation, that when they buy, spending a lot of money, they can't sleep. They used to sleep soundly before on an old bed, and an old mattress. And with an old blanket, smelly blanket, they get much better sleep than on a spring mattress.

How do you know? You go to some new place, perhaps your friend or relative. They are very well to do, they will give you a huge bed, and it will take a long time… And most of us have experienced it. New place, and new house, new bed, new cloths, we are not familiar, so they can create problems.

So the qualities belonging to an experienced object, belong to them. Apply it to both, to the body and mind. If the body is sick, I am not sick. If the mind is happy or unhappy, I am not happy or unhappy. That was the idea Bhagavan Krishna wanted to convey in the Bhagavad Gita, second chapter -

…शीतोष्णसुखदु:खदा: |

आगमापायिनोऽनित्यास्तांस्तितिक्षस्व भारत ||

śhītoṣhṇa-sukha-duḥkha-dāḥ

āgamāpāyino ’nityās tāns-titikṣhasva bhārata ||2/14||

So this is the second point. Very important point!

Third point, even more important point. What was the first one? Whatever we experience is not us. Whatever I experience is not me. Second, whatever qualities belong to an experienced object, whatever I am experiencing, belongs to that object not to me. Since I experience my mind, so the changes, the qualities, the feelings, that the mind is experiencing belong to the mind, to the antahkarana, not to me.

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3) Third, there is a fundamental truth, the existence of an object totally depends upon me. Suppose I am looking at you, you are looking at a tree - but for me you exist, but for you the tree exists. You are not looking at me. You are looking intently, with concentration upon any object, and your mind… in your mind only that object exists. Whereas in my mind only you exist. And the moment you turn your attention to me, I exist in your mind. But the moment I turn my mind towards the object, which you are intently looking, you do not exist for me, only that object exists for me. And therefore, when I think of you, you exist. When I don't, or when I am thinking something else, then you do not exist. Or no second object exists.

If I am aware of one particular object, and there is a fundamental law here, the mind can think of only one object at any given time. That means excepting that one particular object, which I am thinking of, the whole world is lost. I don't even know that it exists. So, this is - the experienced object totally depends upon me, who is the experiencer.

In this world, if anybody says an object exists, that must have been either experienced in the past, or being experienced right now, or is going to be experienced in future. No object can ever claim to exist, or we cannot claim the existence of an object if nobody experienced it. This is the third fundamental principle.

4) But there is also a fourth fundamental point. What is it? Every object that we experience is subject to time, subject to change. You see a baby today. See the same person after 10 years, after 50 years, or after 100 years. Then the person is changing, every single second, the person is changing. And with the change of the person, the qualities of that person are also changing. And it is very fundamental.

Because supposing there are two people in love, a young man and a young woman. And what is their idea? ‘We will be very happy if we can be together with each other’. But what is the fact? The fact is why do the young man… why does the young man like the young woman, and vice versa? They see certain things. This young man is strong, beautiful, well to do, talented, in a high position, and the young man looks very beautiful, very sweet, very humble, very loving etc.

But remember, a change will come. And even that change, I don't say bad change, suppose the fellow does something wrong, and the wife shouts after marriage. And then the fellow says, ‘Oh, you used to love me so much, why are you shouting?’ The fellow is irrational, mad. He doesn't understand that she has not stopped loving, but she wants to correct him. You have done something wrong, she might even shout at this person. But he mistakes, love means only smiling, sweet words etc. etc.

Now what is the point we are taking? Every object is changing, and the perceiver, the sense organs, the mind through which we are experiencing. Why? Because they are also objects. My body which I use as an instrument to experience the world, of course along with the mind. Without mind body doesn't work, sense organs do not work. Mind also is changing.

So the same object, which has become very dear to me at a particular place, at a particular time, may be completely opposite at another time, at another place. So every object is changing.

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Let us remember these four fundamental truths of Vedānta. What are those truths?

  1. Whatever I experience (and you apply it as each one of us), whatever I experience, that is unreal. Because its very existence depends upon me. That is, I am not the object. Whatever I experience, I am not the object.
  2. And we never experience any object without the qualities. if it is a tree, or a flower, a beautiful flower. It is a yellow coloured flower, it is sweet smelling, yellow rose, for example. So that yellow colour, that rosy smell, fragrant, rosy fragrance, everything belongs to that. So it belongs to that object. Therefore I am not the rose, I am not that rosy perfume. And those qualities belong to that. They don't belong to me. That is the second fundamental principle.
  3. Third is, without my taking notice that rose for example, that sweet for example, that beautiful house for example, that beautiful person for example, they have no existence at all. That is the third fundamental principle.
  4. What is the fourth one? So if I have seen a beautiful, fragrant, attractive rose in the morning. If I see it in the afternoon, it is fading already, and the perfume is becoming less. And after one day, or the same day, it may not give the same thing. And it may even give some nasty smell. So it is completely changing.

So let us remember, I am repeating so many times -

  • Whatever I experience is not me.
  • And we cannot experience any object without its qualities. In fact we don't experience any object. We only experience the qualities - tall, short, stout, coloured, and fragrant, sweet, very soft etc. etc. So, whatever qualities we experience belong to that object. Whatever object we experience is not me.
  • What is the third? The existence of the object totally depends upon me.
  • What is the fourth? Every object that I experience changes all the time. All the time!

Now what are we talking about? In this second chapter, Vaitathya Prakaranam, Gaudapāda takes the example of the dream. What is it?

  1. I experience the dream therefore I am not the dream, first,
  2. I experience I have varied experiences, pleasant and unpleasant, and they all belong to the objects that I experienced in the dream. Therefore they belong to that state, that object. But since I am not that object, the qualities also belong to that object. Therefore, I am not those qualities, I am not that object, I am not those qualities.
  3. What is the third one? If I dream of a tree, only the tree is real so long as the dream lasts, everything else is unreal. And the next moment, when I experience a person… the person is real so long as I continue to experience, and the tree is forgotten, in fact the whole world is forgotten. That is the third fundamental fact.
  4. Fourth, even in dream you can see a baby, you can feel that when you went, even after one hour, even after one minute, already the baby is one minute old, one hour old, one day old. Changing is there. Remember these things

So with those understandings, now if we compare… What did we say? That when we are in the waking state - waking state is real, dream state is unreal. When we are in the dream state - dream state is real, and every other state, what are the.. Every other means waking as well as deep sleep - both are unreal. There are three states. When we happen to be in one state both the other two states are unreal.

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Naturally, we think that waking alone is real. Gaudapāda wants to point out, through the example of the dream, that just as dream is properly understood in the waking state, the waking state is no different from the dream in every aspect, in every respect. But we consider the waking as the standard, as the reality even though it doesn't fulfill all the conditions of reality.

What is it? First of all it should not, something that is truth…

  • Truth is truth, whether we experience or not.
  • Truth is truth, it never changes.
  • Truth is truth, it is not bound by time, space, or causation.
  • Even when I don't experience something, truth remains truth.

And that is what he wants to draw. The next point is, we know that dream is a dream in the waking state. But waking state we think as real, for many reasons, which we will talk about in the future. But waking state itself becomes like dream state when we wake up from, this so called, experienced waking state.

What is that waking state? When I forget my subject, I am the experiencer, and mix ‘I the experiencer’ with the experienced and identify with the experienced, then all these problems will come. But when through spiritual practice, I happen to separate myself from all these three states, and identify myself as something which is separate, what is called अवस्था त्रय विलक्षण (Avasthā Traya Vilakshana), completely separate from these three, then I understand. That means all the qualities of the three states.

What are they? Depend-ability, experience-ability, change-ability, coming and going-ability - all these things I do not have because I am totally opposite to all those things. So when I happen to wake up to my real nature, which is called Turiyam, Ātman, Brahman, God, whatever name you put, then all those other states, and their problems will be completely solved. How they are solved also we will talk about it in our next class. But what I wanted to emphasize is, this is a beautiful logic.

So the second chapter is called Vaitathya Prakarana. That is, everything that has these four characteristics…

What are they? Experience-ability; and experience-ability, along with the qualities; and then depend-ability upon. my perceiving that object; and change-ability all the time. All these four are characteristics of whatever is experienced - Vishaya. But not the qualities of the Vishayi.

When I am in the waking I am the same. Like I am in the room number one, and I move to room number two, I move to room number three, and I come out of all the three rooms, stand outside. I am the same person. But then I forget myself and identify with the first room, I feel very bad because this is an unclean room. I feel very happy because there are all objects of enjoyability in the second room. And in the third room, it is completely dark and therefore I don't experience anything. And nobody disturbs, no happiness or unhappiness will be there. What am I talking about? This is Sushupti state.

But when I come out of all the three rooms, it is pure light. I know I was identifying with those three rooms but I am not of these three rooms. And those three rooms which when I experience, exist and when I do not experience they do not exist. All those four characteristics are there (you please remember them) and I am free from all those four characteristics.

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And to prove these four characteristics, that is whatever I experience; and whatever qualities an experienced object has; and the depend-ability of that object upon my perceiving it, and my keeping it in mind, and so long as I keep; and its change-ability - all these four are not my nature. That is the nature of the object. That is called Vaitathya.

Whichever object has got these four characteristics - experience-ability, quality, changefulness, and observe-ability, or experience-ability - all these four characteristics together is called Vaitathya. That means that is not my real nature. For that we have to wake up.

Why this chapter? It is to say Prapancha Upashamam explanation - the whole Jagat is an object, it is experienced, depends upon me, it is changing all the time, and changes from happiness to unhappiness, unhappiness to happiness. That is what binds us really. And if we can, through reason, can prove this one, reason also can prove what the Upanishads are talking about, the Mithyatvam, Asatyatvam of this Brahman, what is called this world, in other words, then the purpose is served.

So in all these, I think 38 Kārikās, we have this, what we call, these four characteristics of the world we are continuously experiencing.

Once we understand that we are not what we experience, naturally the curiosity comes, who are we? The simple answer is whatever this experienced object has, I don't have that one. And by that reason I am eternal, I am unborn, I am changeless, and I am the Infinite, then there is no second other than me. And that Advaita Anubhuti is described in the third chapter.

And the objectors, like us, bring so many objections. And they have been refuted thoroughly (of course, from the Advaitins viewpoint, dvaitins don't accept all of them). So that is dealt with in the fourth Alātashanti Prakaranam.

This is the brief introduction into this Vaitathya Prakaranam. And from next class onwards we will plunge into them. As I mentioned earlier, if you have understood the introduction I have given you, especially of the four characteristics of the world, entire world, because all objects together is called the world, it will be very easy for us. The rest is only some examples etc. We can easily sail through these 38 Kārikās, they are all Gaudapāda’s. From now onwards second chapter, third chapter, fourth chapter are only Gaudapāda’s Kārikās with Shankara Bhāshya. Of course, as usual, I will give you Shankara Bhāshya. With this I will be stopping today.

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